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Actually not late to the party Ol' Patrick. My response was Post #37 giving the OP the same advice. https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3687623-post37.html I didn't remember this previous post from the OP.
You can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink. If a shop won't do it for him and he's not confident to try it himself, I guess he's going to replace a head. But, here's the thing. If the OP isn't confident to do a job like this, how is he going to pull off a head replacement. A head replacement is way more involved than installing a helicoil or time sert. A shop is going to charge big money to replace a head. Oh well, i wish the guy luck.
By the way, I stand by my statement that the level of contribution to this forum has dropped off quite a bit. It's not nearly what it was when I got into it 6 years ago, but the big decline I noticed started around 2 years ago. It's not what it was.
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I don't doubt that the forum has dropped off, but it rubs me the wrong way when you claim that no one has given him the advice to fix the heads rather than replace. If you aren't active enough to see it or remember the other thread then perhaps you aren't active enough to claim that no one offered that advice.
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11-29-2021, 12:37 PM
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I don't doubt that the forum has dropped off, but it rubs me the wrong way when you claim that no one has given him the advice to fix the heads rather than replace. If you aren't active enough to see it or remember the other thread then perhaps you aren't active enough to claim that no one offered that advice.
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Not everyone is a daily forum contributor. I contribute to several forums and many Toyota Enthusiast Facebook pages and I don't remember every post or thread I contribute to. Regardless of the fact the guy asked for advice on his problem over 2 weeks ago, his thread this time should have had people strongly steering him to trying the helicoil or time sert first before spending the time and money on a head replacement. The fact that didn't happen and I was the first to try to shake some sense into the OP, proves my point. There use to be lots more solid contributors to this forum but not so much anymore. It's a sign of the times. Take a deep breath Patrick. I'm not the enemy, quite the opposite. I've contributed heavily to this forum but my observations are spot on.
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11-29-2021, 12:54 PM
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Not everyone is a daily forum contributor. I contribute to several forums and many Toyota Enthusiast Facebook pages and I don't remember every post or thread I contribute to. Regardless of the fact the guy asked for advice on his problem over 2 weeks ago, his thread this time should have had people strongly steering him to trying the helicoil or time sert first before spending the time and money on a head replacement. The fact that didn't happen and I was the first to try to shake some sense into the OP, proves my point. There use to be lots more solid contributors to this forum but not so much anymore. It's a sign of the times. Take a deep breath Patrick. I'm not the enemy, quite the opposite. I've contributed heavily to this forum but my observations are spot on.
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As we established you weren't the first, but the first one in this particular thread. Your accusation that no one here gave him the advice to repair his current head is false. His previous thread already had multiple people recommending repair over replace so there was no need to beat a dead horse again. OP wanted recommendations for where to get a replacement head which your post in this thread did not cover. Deep breathing exercises were not required to list the following facts.
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11-29-2021, 01:19 PM
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As we established you weren't the first, but the first one in this particular thread. Your accusation that no one here gave him the advice to repair his current head is false. His previous thread already had multiple people recommending repair over replace so there was no need to beat a dead horse again. OP wanted recommendations for where to get a replacement head which your post in this thread did not cover. Deep breathing exercises were not required to list the following facts.
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Well, let's agree to disagree. Nobody on this thread responded with the advice this guy needs until I did. I don't care about his previous thread post asking for suggestions. Just because the guy is now asking about a head replacement doesn't mean we don't still try to steer the poor guy to the better solution. You call it beating a dead horse but this guy is about to make the wrong decision. He has nothing to lose by trying to fix his head. He's pretty much already made the decision to replace it which is unfortunate.
At a minimum, somebody, like you Bro, should have asked him, "Hey, did you ever try the helicoil or time sert fix for you head?'' Then the guy would have responded, "No, I gave up on that because no shop would help me." Then you or someone else like me would have tried to talk some sense into him and gotten him to try the repair before spending the time and money on the head replacement. AGAIN, the fact that didn't happen supports my statement. The past is the past and it took quite some time for somebody like me to try to help the guy out.
So yeah Bro, you do need to take a deep breath. My observations are spot on. And, I'm done with this conversation unless the OP chimes in asking for clarification on how to perform the helicoil repair on his head. Any more butt hurt commentary will go unanswered.
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11-29-2021, 01:25 PM
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Well, let's agree to disagree. Nobody on this thread responded with the advice this guy needs until I did. I don't care about his previous thread post asking for suggestions. Just because the guy is now asking about a head replacement doesn't mean we don't still try to steer the poor guy to the better solution. You call it beating a dead horse but this guy is about to make the wrong decision. He has nothing to lose by trying to fix his head. He's pretty much already made the decision to replace it which is unfortunate.
At a minimum, somebody, like you Bro, should have asked him, "Hey, did you ever try the helicoil or time sert fix for you head?'' Then the guy would have responded, "No, I gave up on that because no shop would help me." Then you or someone else like me would have tried to talk some sense into him and gotten him to try the repair before spending the time and money on the head replacement. AGAIN, the fact that didn't happen supports my statement. The past is the past and it took quite some time for somebody like me to try to help the guy out.
So yeah Bro, you do need to take a deep breath. My observations are spot on. And, I'm done with this conversation unless the OP chimes in asking for clarification on how to perform the helicoil repair on his head. Any more butt hurt commentary will go unanswered.
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I didn't ask because I remembered the other thread that the OP was asking about helicoils and repairing the head. I used my powers of deduction to determine that, like the title stated, he was looking for a replacement head. You didn't even ask him if he attempted to repair the head in any way. You call it butthurt, but I call it statement of facts. We will indeed have to agree to disagree.
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11-29-2021, 02:22 PM
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I've suspected that but had no way to know as I 100% refuse to do social media. Having come from BBSes to Usenet to email listservs and finally Forums, things have gotten more and more dumbed down through the progression. Forums are my theshold for tolerating "dumb" and even that is a "just barely, sometimes" kind of thing. Just don't have it in me to wade through the cesspool to find the occasional bit of good info.
Plenty of us here who have used your vids and appreciated them, hard to get Constant recognition though as once you've gone through the videos and serviced the vehicle, it doesn't need much. I know no one clicks my maintenance thread link, but my thanks to you and Sean have been in there from the beginning.
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Yes Lifelog (Facebook) has a few 3rd gen groups. I suggested the users join this forum as 98% of all issues have solutions on here. But I am betting they wont. I left Social media for many reasons and I wont go back. :-)
Tim and Sean videos are extremely useful. :-)
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11-30-2021, 12:50 PM
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I have seen helicoils blow back out of the Ford Triton engines. However, I would definitely try that route over replacing a head if at all possible. As we have all threads in the aluminum. :-)
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Another great alternative to Helicoils and Timeserts are Full-Torque inserts (by Lock-n-Stitch). I have never had to insert a cylinder head myself, but they make special kits for that here: Spark Plug Thread Repair Kits On Lock-N-Stitch
They also make a wide variety of other inserts for many applications. They are our preferred insert in my line of work.
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Well latest update is the eBay head I bought is cracked.. So I guess Ill be having it towed back to my house and either attempt to repair it or sell it for whatever I can get I guess.
Ive done engine work on motorcycles before but I tend to be really bad when it comes to trying to drill and tap. I dont have the patience to go slow enough and mess things up..
It will definitely be worth attempting to repair myself though I think but I have no idea which of those kits I would need?
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12-04-2021, 07:35 PM
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The good news is if you try to fix it and permanently damage the engine I’ll give you $200 for the whole rig if you’re within 4 hours of me
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12-04-2021, 07:40 PM
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The good news is if you try to fix it and permanently damage the engine I’ll give you $200 for the whole rig if you’re within 4 hours of me
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Well Im definitely not within 4 hours of you..
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12-05-2021, 03:55 PM
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Well latest update is the eBay head I bought is cracked.. So I guess Ill be having it towed back to my house and either attempt to repair it or sell it for whatever I can get I guess.
Ive done engine work on motorcycles before but I tend to be really bad when it comes to trying to drill and tap. I dont have the patience to go slow enough and mess things up..
It will definitely be worth attempting to repair myself though I think but I have no idea which of those kits I would need?
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please try and take your time, and save that 4runner of yours.
It really isn't that hard of a job, just need to take your time, as you claim you have difficulty doing. But good news is, you'll just need to take it slow and steady for the time you drill the hole, and the time you tap the hole, and luckily, these are pretty quick to do.
I have not watched MTbtim video and it is for sure much more quality content that I can give by writing in here, but for drilling aluminium, you'll need higher RPM, so don't use a slow 500 RPM drill/setting. You'll need to insure straight drilling, which you could pretty much achieve using another person's point of view, which will be located 90 degree from you. Both of you need to agree you are straight.
Also, you have to find a way to remove the chips that will get into the cylinder, which you could achieve using some automotive small vaccuum hose taped to a shop-vac's cleaning end.
I don't think an helicoil could work, as there is a ''back end'' rod in an helicoil which you use to thread the helicoil in, that will prevent your spark plug from going through (at least the helicoils I have used).
There spark plug thread repair kits available, for example (didn't look at it, it is just for the sake of pointing that it exists) amazon thread repair kit.
As for forum activity, here there is still much more quality content compared many other modern truck forums. There is the fact that pretty much every question and problem is already answered over the years, so many opt for reading an old thread instead of creating a new one.
wish you luck.
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12-05-2021, 09:28 PM
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Well latest update is the eBay head I bought is cracked.. So I guess Ill be having it towed back to my house and either attempt to repair it or sell it for whatever I can get I guess.
Ive done engine work on motorcycles before but I tend to be really bad when it comes to trying to drill and tap. I dont have the patience to go slow enough and mess things up..
It will definitely be worth attempting to repair myself though I think but I have no idea which of those kits I would need?
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In the video I linked on Page 1 of this thread, if you open the video description, I have a link to the helicoil kit I used.
Dude, like we've said ad nauseam, you have nothing to lose. If you're considering junking the truck over this, at least give it a shot before junking the whole rig. Sounds like you need a confidence booster. Maybe watch some Tony Robbins videos on YouTube to boost your confidence. If you still can't muster up the courage to give it a go, get a friend or relative to help you out.
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