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Old 04-15-2022, 11:03 PM #16
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Thanks for that, Romeo! Great advice. I hadn't really heard much in the way of concrete comparison between Es and Cs like this (mostly just a lot of worrying about the comparative strength of the tires, hah), but this is a compelling take. Will definitely look into that.

There aren’t any real comparisons. If your on 16” tires, your stuck with a limited set of C options. Tire manufacturers for whatever reason didn’t proliferate C rated tires in 16 like 17’s or 15’s have. I think there’s a few reasons for this, but in the end it’s irrelevant. Hardly anything new has a 16 anymore, so what’s available is available probably won’t change much.

I think assuming a 3ply sidewall on a purpose built off-road/quality All terrain tires, I think the durability claims of E being “stronger” than C isn’t accurate at all. On straight highway-ish tires? I dunno, Maybe? But I can’t even tell you how much abuse I’ve engaged in the last 1000 miles on these C’s. If they weren’t up to task, it would have happened with all the rocks, sticks, brush, and crunched up pallets in the desert along with the several G outs I’ve done so far on these generals.

The reality is that the tire casingfor an E is constructed to be filled to 80psi, and a load C isn’t. 80 psi at a load range 120+ is something that will never happen on a 4200-6000 lb suv. E tires are built to hold a higher pressure with a higher load rating to match, but I don’t believe saying that saying an E is stronger than a C is accurate. It’s like comparing a big hammer to a little hammer. They aren’t the same. They’re different tools for different jobs.

Load rating E, or the 10 P.R. (Ply rating, which needs to die. Good grief that’s such and antiquated and plain silly way to do this. There ain’t a damn tire one in this universe that’s built with 10 physical plies anymore. Fricking BS, [sounds of bucket getting kicked…. man shouts at clouds]

I firmly believe that the majority of owners and drivers of 3rd gens that aren’t happy with power or acceleration probably have a set of E’s on. Even the wife could tell the new tires were different, and she can’t tell jack chit apart when it comes to the finer points of vehicle dynamics. For the guys that never go off road, an SL probably makes even more sense.
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Thanks for that, Romeo! Great advice. I hadn't really heard much in the way of concrete comparison between Es and Cs like this (mostly just a lot of worrying about the comparative strength of the tires, hah), but this is a compelling take. Will definitely look into that.
This, its really nice to be able to leave everything in place inside the rig, especially when going on a multiday trip, just pop up the tent, and pass out.

Cant compare it to setting up a ground tent, then putting all your sleeping stuff inside, then having to break it all down. Or, like you said, moving most things from the inside of the rig outside or onto the front seats.

If you camp a lot, RTT is amazing.
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This, its really nice to be able to leave everything in place inside the rig, especially when going on a multiday trip, just pop up the tent, and pass out.

Cant compare it to setting up a ground tent, then putting all your sleeping stuff inside, then having to break it all down. Or, like you said, moving most things from the inside of the rig outside or onto the front seats.

If you camp a lot, RTT is amazing.
I have thought long and hard about whether I would get enough use out of an RTT to justify the price. I camp about 4-6 times a year, and usually in a group. I manage to keep everything inside my rig at night except for my chainsaw, and still sleep comfortable. Granted I don't bring the kitchen sink, a bathroom setup, or anything else, since my crew usually has that stuff in a pickup truck or trailer setup.

I'm setup faster than anyone else with ground tents or RTTs. I just keep everything on the passenger side that isn't related to sleeping, then I don't have to mess with it every time I move camp for the day.

I'll be camping 3 nights next weekend. I'll post some pics of my basic setup, but it's great for a solo camper.
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Far fewer coyotes, snakes, spiders, scorpions, and bugs when off the ground (inside or on top)! I need to get a set of those window vents now that I think about it..... might seem a bit pricey but you get a pair of handmade in the USA units.

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