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Wink Thinking About Upgrading Your Sound System? Do It!

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Here's my complete sound overhaul - on a modest budget. I just finished installing sound deadening on the front doors and new Infinity component speakers up front powered by a modest amp. I knew the stock speakers were pretty awful since I've swapped speakers in other cars before but this is the first time I've gone a more serious route. Here's what I've done:

Installed Alpine head unit for BT & USB - $99
Alpine CDE-143BT CD receiver at Crutchfield.com

Installed Alpine power pack, 45RMS x 4 (a bit higher since the Infinitys run at 3 ohms, not 4) - $100. Best part? NO EXTRA WIRING NEEDED!
Alpine KTP-445A Power Pack Compact upgrade amplifier for your Alpine receiver ? 45 watts RMS x 4 at Crutchfield.com

Installed 6 1/4 in. Infinity Reference X Components - $105
Reference 6500cx - Infinity US

Sound deadening on front doors as well as on the center console and transmission tunnel - $395 total spent in materials for the entire vehicle from RAAMaudio - Automotive sound deadening products Also, they have a GREAT how-to article for newbies like me, not every surface needs to be plastered with the stuff for great results. I ordered an additional amount, now up to $395. Wanted more foam and mat materials to do the entire cargo area since it's so noisy compared to the front end now.

6 1/4 in. Coax Infinity Reference X speakers on rear doors (current ones are completely blown out) - $70
Infinity Reference X REF-6502ix 6-3/4" 2-way car speakers — also fit 6-1/2" openings at Crutchfield.com

Sound deadening in the rear cargo area, it's noisy.

Powered Blaupunkt 10" subwoofer - $216
Blaupunkt Blue Magic XLb 250 A Single 10" subwoofer enclosure with 250-watt amp at Crutchfield.com

Wiring kit from Crutchfield, 10 gauge - $40 Don't get this one: http://www.crutchfield.com/p_142PA8B...t.html?tp=2919, the RCA's failed in a week. I'm so bummed. Get the Kicker or higher quality ones that have RCA's made with copper for more strength.

After doing the front end of the vehicle, it is a HUGE improvement in sound, at least to me. I still get a lot of road noise from the rear of the vehicle but the speakers sound awesome. I tested it along the way to hear improvements to see what was most effective:
  1. Adding the amp brought it to life. These Infinitys really shine with an amp, but I knew that already. Clear highs and good bass, almost feels like I have a small sub tucked away somewhere!
  2. The sound deadening quieted down the cabin and increased bass response but more importantly, took away all the rattles I had in the door panels.
  3. Just swapping the speakers did very little to improve sound, even though Infinitys are good quality. Would have been a waste of the speakers if I stopped there.

Now that I'm really going at it, an amp and sound deadening or some sort of insulating foam is a must. Those showed way more improvement than just swapping speakers.

Also, no more distortion at low frequencies that was hurting my ears Did I mention I did not have to do any wiring for the amp? That was the best part, it's literally plug and play. Only tricky part was where to mount it, I ended up putting it right below the head unit but far enough away that heat would not be an issue. I'm all for easy routes, and besides a new head unit plus a new amp for $200 is a complete steal. Crutchfield sells open packages for cheap, and Amazon and Ebay will have steals if you watch long enough.

I've put in about $900 to do the whole 4Runner, but it could be done for less if you're not so picky about sound. There are some decent Alpine or Pioneer speakers out there for much cheaper, I just love the sound of the Infinity Reference X line. Decent bass but the mids and highs just sound sooo good to me. Highly recommend going to Fry's or a car audio store to listen to speakers before you buy, they really do sound different when compared. If you guys want some photos I can take some of the next parts of the installs, such as my plan on how to fit 6 1/4 in the 5 1/4 openings on the rear doors and such. I was really cramped for time over the past week so I didn't have any time for photos of what I did up front but could take off the door panel if you really, really want me to. I've put in about 10 hours total so far with the install, it's slow going especially when I have to solder new wiring but not hard at all.

UPDATE: Just finished the deadening and wow, what a difference. The rear cargo really is the problem spot in our vehicles. There's still engine noise but there's nothing coming from the back of the 4Runner anymore. All the sounds are still there but reduced, if that makes sense. Also pretty much all high-frequency sounds are gone. I can hear my wife talk to me much, much better than before.

If you wanted to go one step further, do the front floor, that's the next spot that would need it. I'm not going to though, I'm happy with what I've got.

Anyway, hope this helps someone looking to plan their next sound upgrade on their 4Runner! Here's the photos for reference (I adjusted my crossover settings so had the door panel off this evening):

Tweeter:



That's right, I glued it, just like how the stock ones were. The ones I have are in a solid casing, there's no magnet to move like the woofers. The component set had three different mounts but there's not enough space to fit it behind the grill (the stock tweeter is very thin, probably why it sounds bad!). Gorilla Glue and a clamp and we're done! All you audiophiles are probably cringing right now

Here's a few more photos for kicks:

Crossover location inside the door above the support bar (not deflecting any sound waves and not blocking the window operation):



New speaker on the old mount I did use the supplied mount provided in the kit for a more secure fit:



Finished product. Not pretty on the outside but it sounds awesome and nobody sees it anyway!



Also put foam on the inside of the door panel, took away a lot of rattles. I used twice as much foam as I did sound deadening:




More photos, updated 9/8

Routed the power wire for the amp through the firewall plug (poked a hole with a screwdriver)



And then ran it under the trim to the back. Also ran my RCA's on the OTHER side to remove any risk of sound contamination.



Installed the volume control knob in the pocket under the head unit using Velcro. Great location and easy to remove if I ever need to. If you haven't bought a large supply of Velcro yet... it makes life so much easier.



Stripped the interior (which is a whole lot easier than it looks, took all of an hour) and added sound deadening. I ran out though so waiting on some more to come in.



Took out the plastic pocket and glued some carpet in there instead. Now my storage is 3x what it used to be! No more rattles either. Shout out to @BrianSD_42 for his photos that gave me the inspiration.



Bonus pic of the other side in progress.



All I have left to do is finish the floor of the cargo area and I'm DONE!
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I just dropped a wad on a new HU, I missed my pioneer and the budget allowed it so I picked up an AVH-X5700BHS. We will see how I like it, It wasn't cheap so I better like it lol.

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So I'm about 1/3 of the way of a complete sound overhaul - on a modest budget. I just finished installing sound deadening on the front doors and new Infinity component speakers up front powered by a modest amp. I knew the stock speakers were pretty awful since I've swapped speakers in other cars before but this is the first time I've gone a more serious route. Here's what I've done so far and what's to come:

Done so far:

Installed Alpine head unit for BT & USB - $99
Alpine CDE-143BT CD receiver at Crutchfield.com

Installed Alpine power pack, 45RMS x 4 (a bit higher since the Infinitys run at 3 ohms, not 4) - $100. Best part? NO EXTRA WIRING NEEDED!
Alpine KTP-445A Power Pack Compact upgrade amplifier for your Alpine receiver ? 45 watts RMS x 4 at Crutchfield.com

Installed 6 1/4 in. Infinity Reference X Components - $105
Reference 6500cx - Infinity US

Sound deadening on front doors as well as on the center console and transmission tunnel - $230 total spent in materials for the entire vehicle from RAAMaudio - Automotive sound deadening products Also, they have a GREAT how-to article for newbies like me, not every surface needs to be plastered with the stuff for great results.

To Come:

6 1/4 in. Coax Infinity Reference X speakers on rear doors (current ones are completely blown out) - $70
Infinity Reference X REF-6502ix 6-3/4" 2-way car speakers — also fit 6-1/2" openings at Crutchfield.com

Sound deadening in the rear cargo area, it's noisy.

Maybe a fully loaded amp like this one, not sure yet:
Blaupunkt Blue Magic XLb 250 A Single 10" subwoofer enclosure with 250-watt amp at Crutchfield.com

Even though I've only done the front end of the vehicle, it is a HUGE improvement in sound, at least to me. I still get a lot of road noise from the rear of the vehicle but the speakers sound awesome. I tested it along the way to hear improvements to see what was most effective:
  1. Adding the amp brought it to life. These Infinitys really shine with an amp, but I knew that already. Clear highs and good bass, almost feels like I have a small sub tucked away somewhere!
  2. The sound deadening quieted down the cabin and increased bass response but more importantly, took away all the rattles I had in the door panels.
  3. Just swapping the speakers did very little to improve sound, even though Infinitys are good quality. Would have been a waste of the speakers if I stopped there.

Now that I'm really going at it, an amp and sound deadening or some sort of insulating foam is a must. Those showed way more improvement than just swapping speakers.

Also, no more distortion at low frequencies that was hurting my ears Did I mention I did not have to do any wiring for the amp? That was the best part, it's literally plug and play. Only tricky part was where to mount it, I ended up putting it right below the head unit but far enough away that heat would not be an issue. I'm all for easy routes, and besides a new head unit plus a new amp for $200 is a complete steal. Crutchfield sells open packages for cheap, and Amazon and Ebay will have steals if you watch long enough.

I've put in about $600 to do the whole 4Runner, but it could be done for less if you're not so picky about sound. There are some decent Alpine or Pioneer speakers out there for much cheaper, I just love the sound of the Infinity Reference X line. Decent bass but the mids and highs just sound sooo good to me. Highly recommend going to Fry's or a car audio store to listen to speakers before you buy, they really do sound different when compared. If you guys want some photos I can take some of the next parts of the installs, such as my plan on how to fit 6 1/4 in the 5 1/4 openings on the rear doors and such. I was really cramped for time over the past week so I didn't have any time for photos of what I did up front but could take off the door panel if you really, really want me to. I've put in about 10 hours total so far with the install, it's slow going especially when I have to solder new wiring but not hard at all.

Anyway, hope this helps someone looking to plan their next sound upgrade on their 4Runner!

I've never had a chance to hear Infinity car speakers, but when I was in high school (early 90s), my older brother who was in the military at the time, bought some Infinity home speakers with 15 inch subwoofers. He obviously couldn't have them on the base, so he sent them home to me....I proceeded to piss off all the neighbors with the music too.

Anyways, great speakers that really held up well and sounded awesome no matter what music I played. I can only imagine how good some Infinity car speakers would sound. I'll have to check some out once I decide to upgrade.
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Does anyone have a apple carplay receiver in their 4runner?
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Nice. Nice. I am also looking at alpine speakers.

Any pictures of the deadening of the cargo area?
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You spend almost as much for just the head unit as I did for the entire project, lol!

I'll add a photo of how I did the tweeter later this evening.
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I've never had a chance to hear Infinity car speakers, but when I was in high school (early 90s), my older brother who was in the military at the time, bought some Infinity home speakers with 15 inch subwoofers. He obviously couldn't have them on the base, so he sent them home to me....I proceeded to piss off all the neighbors with the music too.

Anyways, great speakers that really held up well and sounded awesome no matter what music I played. I can only imagine how good some Infinity car speakers would sound. I'll have to check some out once I decide to upgrade.
The car audio speakers are a little different than the home ones, most of Infinity's line tends to be more treble-heavy, sometimes too much. I actually don't really like their high-end Kappa series, or at least from what I've heard. The Infinity Reference X series has the best well-rounded sound that I've heard so far.

You should see my current "home audio" setup. I jerry-rigged my old cassette stereo speakers to connect to my TV, lol. They are good speakers though and I didn't blow them out as a teenager, sounds way better than those "sound bars" they sell for $500+!

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Nice. Nice. I am also looking at alpine speakers.

Any pictures of the deadening of the cargo area?
Will in the future! Working from front to back so haven't got there just yet. Silly as it sounds, but it will be way easier to do than the doors since I won't have to contort my arms in those access holes anymore.
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Infinity speakers run at 4 omhs just like everyone else. They measure it by including the wiring to the head unit.
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You spend almost as much for just the head unit as I did for the entire project, lol!

I'll add a photo of how I did the tweeter later this evening.
It was those darn flashy lights and colors that got me Thinking About Upgrading Your Sound System? Do It!
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Alpine headunits are some of the best. I decided to go cheap and get a pioneer in my car and regret it. Now I'm fighting alternator whine due to the hu. Story for another time.

If you really want those Infiniti's to shine get a bigger amp. They tend to like more power and it's better to have to much amp than to little. You can't go wrong with the RAAM mat gear. I've got it all in the trunk of my car and went from hating the bass and wanting 2 12's to questioning if I should drop to a small 10 haha.

And while I know audiophiles disagree with rear speakers I'm the opposite. I enjoy rear fill if nothing more than for my passengers in the back. I will say that I wouldn't put an amp on them. Just a decent two way powered by the hu and you'll be good.
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Ditto. I've just got a set of rockford 2 ways in my car and have them just a touch above completely off. Moot point cause I couldn't hear them over the polks if I wanted to. Joys of a small car.
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Just my 2 pennies but I wouldnt touch the rear door speakers. Most car audio professionals will advise on turning these speakers down (usually by fading more to front) if you have a nice set of components in the front. Some dont use them at all. Rear fill high frequency speakers (tweeters and coaxials) will just pull your soundstage backwards when you move your head around and sound funky. You want the sound to come at you from the front in an automobile (aka front staging.) Unless you put some good midbass only speakers in back there it wont improve the sound IMO. I have mine barely playing. You want to feel like you are standing in front of a concert stage. And midbass speakers are hard to install in our small spaced rear doors. You can still use those factory speakers when you have someone sitting back there or want surround sound for a movie or something. Just put a sub in the hatch and be done with it. If you want to perfect the sound then you can time delay the speakers so they all arive at your ears at the same time. My Alpine 7894 (older expensive model) has built in time delays for every speaker and I use that to delay so the subwoofer freqencies have a few split seconds to arrive near the front at the same time and dont sound like its coming from the back. I dont think the model Alpine you have will time delay though. I would spend the money on something more useful. Hear is a days worth of reading o the topic Rear Fill: do you use it? - Car Audio | DiyMobileAudio.com | Car Stereo Forum

Edit. Just read your rears are trashed. In that case if you want them I wouldnt spend much money.
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Alpine headunits are some of the best. I decided to go cheap and get a pioneer in my car and regret it. Now I'm fighting alternator whine due to the hu. Story for another time.

If you really want those Infiniti's to shine get a bigger amp. They tend to like more power and it's better to have to much amp than to little. You can't go wrong with the RAAM mat gear. I've got it all in the trunk of my car and went from hating the bass and wanting 2 12's to questioning if I should drop to a small 10 haha.

And while I know audiophiles disagree with rear speakers I'm the opposite. I enjoy rear fill if nothing more than for my passengers in the back. I will say that I wouldn't put an amp on them. Just a decent two way powered by the hu and you'll be good.
Definitely appreciate the input, I thought about the same thing myself. I think it really comes down to personal preference and how much you have to spend. I've owned cars with both rear fill and none and I personally prefer having it. My wife's Altima has a pretty decent stock system in it (might have been upgraded, I'm not sure) and I love the 6x9's in the back. Also for the same reason of letting my passengers listen to music as well, I go camping with my brothers a lot and we like the same music. Sucked in the 4Runner since they couldn't even hear it unless I had it so loud it was uncomfortable for me.

The amp I have is 4-way so they will be powered, that way my passengers can enjoy good quality music in the back as well. The Reference X are 3 ohm speakers (most of what Infinity makes is 2 ohm, that's why the love power) so my amp is feeding roughly about 60 RMS (give or take when you add the wiring) so it's quite decent for what I paid for the amp. I'm no audiophile but sure is a whole lot better than the measly 18 RMS my head unit was eeking out.
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Installed 6 1/4 in. Infinity Reference X Components - $105
Reference 6500cx - Infinity US

Where did you score these for $105?
+1 on seeing the tweeter install pics.
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Another thing about those rear speakers and I will shut up. They are at the bottom almost on the floor and thats where all the sound goes, at the feet of the rear passengers.
Yeah the speaker location is awful. Toyota could have mounted them much higher, my Xtra Cab Pickup had them at arm's height which is much better. Better than nothing though!

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Where did you score these for $105?
+1 on seeing the tweeter install pics.
Ebay. I trolled Amazon and Ebay for a few weeks looking for a good price. If you "wish list" an item on Amazon it automatically tracks the price for you and shows when the price drops, FYI. I bought some "open box" items from Crutchfield but most off Amazon/Ebay. The only downside is that Infinity and other speaker manufacturers will NOT honor the warranty if sold from 3rd party sellers, only if purchased direct from Amazon/Crutchfield, etc. So anything not sold by them should be considered as-is and not returnable.
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