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Old 09-16-2023, 02:45 PM #1
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Rear spring recommendations for my setup

So Iíve been rocking OME 890s for a while now and Iíve determined that they just canít handle the weight I throw at them. Over the past couple years they have sagged and Iím basically back to being stock height and loaded up Iím doing the Carolina squat.

My set up is as follows: all weights are approximate

Regular driving: ~330lbs
RTT: 120lbs
Platform:70lbs
Roof rack:20lbs
Dual battery: 70lbs (in back of vehicle)
Back fold out hitch rack:50lbs

Now when Iím camping add about another 150lbs to the back of the car on top of 5 gallons of water on my back fold out rack and about 150-200lbs of firewood also on the back rack.

Fully loaded: ~6-700 lbs

I have stock bumpers and no lift. Just E rated 255/85s

Can anyone recommend a spring that will give me about 3-3.5 inches lift with my regular driving weight and not totally squat when Iím fully loaded. Iíd like to stay around 2-2.5 inches of lift fully loaded.

Iíve looked at toytec and they seem to be the way to go but Iíve heard good things about dobinsons as well as other springs from other Toyotas.

Any recommendations besides the toytecs or are those my best bet?

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So Iíve been rocking OME 890s for a while now and Iíve determined that they just canít handle the weight I throw at them. Over the past couple years they have sagged and Iím basically back to being stock height and loaded up Iím doing the Carolina squat.

My set up is as follows: all weights are approximate

Regular driving: ~330lbs
RTT: 120lbs
Platform:70lbs
Roof rack:20lbs
Dual battery: 70lbs (in back of vehicle)
Back fold out hitch rack:50lbs

Now when Iím camping add about another 150lbs to the back of the car on top of 5 gallons of water on my back fold out rack and about 150-200lbs of firewood also on the back rack.

Fully loaded: ~6-700 lbs

I have stock bumpers and no lift. Just E rated 255/85s

Can anyone recommend a spring that will give me about 3-3.5 inches lift with my regular driving weight and not totally squat when Iím fully loaded. Iíd like to stay around 2-2.5 inches of lift fully loaded.

Iíve looked at toytec and they seem to be the way to go but Iíve heard good things about dobinsons as well as other springs from other Toyotas.

Any recommendations besides the toytecs or are those my best bet?

Below is a photo of how I sat fully loaded with everything mentioned. I should also mention the front end was lifted up probably about 1.5 inches by all the rear weight




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You'll want variable rate coils. I know skyjacker makes their coils specific to your 4runner and load. I'm sure the other companies do also and would probably want to call them with your load data to get a specific setup.
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OME 861 would be a choice also. If you regularly have 330 lbs in the back, they'll probably sit at the height you want, plus handle the weight you throw at them for camping. As you mentioned, the Toytec 9602HD-P would be good for the 330 lbs you normally carry. You should ask them if they will deal with the 700 lbs. You'll have to get different shocks no matter which way you go.
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LC80 springs are good but not great at handling heavy weight. The 861ís are great at handling the weight but will have you sitting pretty high up in the rear. I personally have ran both and I much prefer the 861ís due to the overall feel of them. Absolutely no sag and ride nicely when coupled with LC80 Tokico shocks.


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LC80 springs are good but not great at handling heavy weight. The 861ís are great at handling the weight but will have you sitting pretty high up in the rear. I personally have ran both and I much prefer the 861ís due to the overall feel of them. Absolutely no sag and ride nicely when coupled with LC80 Tokico shocks.


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How much lift do you think I would be at with the 300 lbs I carry in the back?

I can always move up my front bilstiens to try to negate any rake but Iíd rather not as they are stiff enough as it is. I just donít wanna be sitting at like 4+ inches with all my regular driving gear


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How much lift do you think I would be at with the 300 lbs I carry in the back?

I can always move up my front bilstiens to try to negate any rake but Iíd rather not as they are stiff enough as it is. I just donít wanna be sitting at like 4+ inches with all my regular driving gear


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You're thinking of linear rate coils that are too stiff unloaded. Variable rate coils will maintain your ride height unloaded and loaded. The coils are not evenly spaced which makes them variable rate. Unloaded you'll have your correct lift, ride height, and driving quality. Loaded the rate of deflection changes during compression and stiffens because the distance between the coils is uneven.
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Like others have suggested, OME 861 might be an option but they might run a bit tall without more weight. I am at the 2.5-3" range but I also have a plate rear bumper, fridge, sliders, and heavy spare out back on a swingout on top of everything you mentioned.

With just 300lbs load, I am thinking you'll be closer to 4-4.5" rear lift. I will be moving to 850s from my current 861s...

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Like others have suggested, OME 861 might be an option but they might run a bit tall without more weight. I am at the 2.5-3" range but I also have a plate rear bumper, fridge, sliders, and heavy spare out back on a swingout on top of everything you mentioned.

With just 300lbs load, I am thinking you'll be closer to 4-4.5" rear lift. I will be moving to 850s from my current 861s...

Thanks! Thats just the info Iím looking for. Itís looking like the toytec springs are gonna be what I want. Iíve reached out to them multiple times and they never respond lol so Iím hoping someone on here can give me more info on spring rates and lengths


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How much lift do you think I would be at with the 300 lbs I carry in the back?

I can always move up my front bilstiens to try to negate any rake but Iíd rather not as they are stiff enough as it is. I just donít wanna be sitting at like 4+ inches with all my regular driving gear


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I canít exactly give you numbers of lift height as it will vary from truck to truck. I wouldnít recommend lifting the front setup either as youíll likely bind your axles and create an extremely harsh ride quality.

Why arenít you okay with 4Ē of lift? Just curious


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I have no specific spring recommendation, other than this.

Choose your spring based on how you load the truck 80% of the time. I mostly have 1-200 lbs of tools and spare parts in mine, so I went with the OME 906's over a heavier spring. I run Airbags to make up the extra spring rate and adjust as needed for the load.

This has been working great. I had 5th gen springs, and they were a bit too stiff compared to the 906's.

So don't worry about the 20% of the time you are loaded up for the trails, use the 99 dollar Airlift kit to take care of that. Match your spring rate to how you will be loaded more often than not.

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I canít exactly give you numbers of lift height as it will vary from truck to truck. I wouldnít recommend lifting the front setup either as youíll likely bind your axles and create an extremely harsh ride quality.

Why arenít you okay with 4Ē of lift? Just curious


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Since my front isnít lifted I want to keep the rake from looking ridiculous. I donít mind rake at all but I just donít want a reverse Carolina squat situation lol.

When my 890s were new they were about 2.5-3 inches higher than the front and I thought that was a perfect look but over time they gradually sagged to where my normal load sagged it to stock ride height


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I have no specific spring recommendation, other than this.

Choose your spring based on how you load the truck 80% of the time. I mostly have 1-200 lbs of tools and spare parts in mine, so I went with the OME 906's over a heavier spring. I run Airbags to make up the extra spring rate and adjust as needed for the load.

This has been working great. I had 5th gen springs, and they were a bit too stiff compared to the 906's.

So don't worry about the 20% of the time you are loaded up for the trails, use the 99 dollar Airlift kit to take care of that. Match your spring rate to how you will be loaded more often than not.

Just my advice.

I was also thinking about this as well. Iíve heard lots of great things about airbags


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I wheel the piss out of mine too. So no worries about them "popping" or anything like that. I even jumped it, halfway on purpose, earlier this year and got all 4 tires off the ground at the same time..

Bonus is they also act like bump stops to prevent harsh bottoming.
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I wheel the piss out of mine too. So no worries about them "popping" or anything like that. I even jumped it, halfway on purpose, earlier this year and got all 4 tires off the ground at the same time..

Bonus is they also act like bump stops to prevent harsh bottoming.

What airbags are you using?


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