User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 03-06-2024, 11:30 AM #1
Previologist Previologist is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2023
Posts: 260
Previologist will become famous soon enough
Previologist Previologist is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2023
Posts: 260
Previologist will become famous soon enough
bad software/ECU ground

Yeeeeeaaars ago i had this problem where my 97 would start and die immediately. To make a long story short and because I neither remember nor understand the details, someone on another forum thought it had lost a software ground. He had me try cutting a wire on a harness under the dash, over the brake pedal area, and run it directly to ground with a cheapie toggle switch. Bingo. I've been driving it that way for many years.

The only drawback is the fuel pump will run when it shouldn't, but that's what the toggle is for. I have never actually used it though and its worked great for at least 10 years and i haven't killed the fuel pump yet.

This was meant to be a temporary fix but since it works I've never pursued a permanent fix, or seen a need to.
__________________
97 4runner 5-speed 3.4
Previologist is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-10-2024, 08:41 PM #2
brillo_76's Avatar
brillo_76 brillo_76 is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Western PA
Posts: 6,232
Real Name: Jon
brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute
brillo_76 brillo_76 is offline
Elite Member
brillo_76's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Western PA
Posts: 6,232
Real Name: Jon
brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute
Do you know which wire you cut and grounded? Maybe it was part of the immobilization system..
__________________
7 3rd gens listed in the build thread (2 are parts mobiles)
Build Thread: https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...os-builds.html
Brillo's Bucket Fluid Ex changer: https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...ml#post3358086
Sparks Plugs Wire and Coil Information: https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...on-5vz-fe.html
brillo_76 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-13-2024, 04:02 PM #3
BajaRunner96 BajaRunner96 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2024
Location: San Diego
Posts: 3
BajaRunner96 is on a distinguished road
BajaRunner96 BajaRunner96 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2024
Location: San Diego
Posts: 3
BajaRunner96 is on a distinguished road
Been having the same issue with my 96 2.7 but I realized that if I unplug the TPS sensor it would maintain but idle surge to 1500 rpms and became a gas guzzler.
BajaRunner96 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-27-2024, 10:57 PM #4
Previologist Previologist is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2023
Posts: 260
Previologist will become famous soon enough
Previologist Previologist is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2023
Posts: 260
Previologist will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by brillo_76 View Post
Do you know which wire you cut and grounded? Maybe it was part of the immobilization system..
I never noticed anyone had replied to this before now. I will get a picture tomorrow.
__________________
97 4runner 5-speed 3.4
Previologist is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-28-2024, 11:54 AM #5
brillo_76's Avatar
brillo_76 brillo_76 is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Western PA
Posts: 6,232
Real Name: Jon
brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute
brillo_76 brillo_76 is offline
Elite Member
brillo_76's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Western PA
Posts: 6,232
Real Name: Jon
brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute
No biggie....:-)
__________________
7 3rd gens listed in the build thread (2 are parts mobiles)
Build Thread: https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...os-builds.html
Brillo's Bucket Fluid Ex changer: https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...ml#post3358086
Sparks Plugs Wire and Coil Information: https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...on-5vz-fe.html
brillo_76 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-28-2024, 02:05 PM #6
Previologist Previologist is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2023
Posts: 260
Previologist will become famous soon enough
Previologist Previologist is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2023
Posts: 260
Previologist will become famous soon enough
Looks like I grounded a green wire off the relay above the driver side kick panel. I guess it's some sort of light relay, 98987-02012

I don't really remember, its been so long. Maybe i added that green wire too, dunno.

But it worked. Without it, the truck will crank but won't run for more than a second. I've never been motivated to pursue it further because it works.

__________________
97 4runner 5-speed 3.4

Last edited by Previologist; 07-28-2024 at 02:09 PM.
Previologist is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-31-2024, 09:14 AM #7
brillo_76's Avatar
brillo_76 brillo_76 is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Western PA
Posts: 6,232
Real Name: Jon
brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute
brillo_76 brillo_76 is offline
Elite Member
brillo_76's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Western PA
Posts: 6,232
Real Name: Jon
brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute
Interesting...
__________________
7 3rd gens listed in the build thread (2 are parts mobiles)
Build Thread: https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...os-builds.html
Brillo's Bucket Fluid Ex changer: https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...ml#post3358086
Sparks Plugs Wire and Coil Information: https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...on-5vz-fe.html
brillo_76 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-31-2024, 12:14 PM #8
Previologist Previologist is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2023
Posts: 260
Previologist will become famous soon enough
Previologist Previologist is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2023
Posts: 260
Previologist will become famous soon enough
Lol...
__________________
97 4runner 5-speed 3.4
Previologist is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 12-14-2024, 01:56 AM #9
negusm negusm is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 141
negusm will become famous soon enough
negusm negusm is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 141
negusm will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by Previologist View Post
Looks like I grounded a green wire off the relay above the driver side kick panel. I guess it's some sort of light relay, 98987-02012
From the Circuit Diagram that looks like the COR (Circuit Open Relay). It's probably bad. But weird that it works intermittently like that.
__________________
2002 4Runner 4WD SR5 - Original Owner
negusm is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 12-15-2024, 02:54 PM #10
Sparky 97Runner's Avatar
Sparky 97Runner Sparky 97Runner is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Fair Oaks, CA (Sacramento)
Posts: 316
Sparky 97Runner will become famous soon enough Sparky 97Runner will become famous soon enough
Sparky 97Runner Sparky 97Runner is offline
Member
Sparky 97Runner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Fair Oaks, CA (Sacramento)
Posts: 316
Sparky 97Runner will become famous soon enough Sparky 97Runner will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by Previologist View Post
Yeeeeeaaars ago i had this problem where my 97 would start and die immediately. To make a long story short and because I neither remember nor understand the details, someone on another forum thought it had lost a software ground. He had me try cutting a wire on a harness under the dash, over the brake pedal area, and run it directly to ground with a cheapie toggle switch. Bingo. I've been driving it that way for many years.

The only drawback is the fuel pump will run when it shouldn't, but that's what the toggle is for. I have never actually used it though and its worked great for at least 10 years and i haven't killed the fuel pump yet.

This was meant to be a temporary fix but since it works I've never pursued a permanent fix, or seen a need to.
That's pretty interesting that your ECU lost a ground like that. Good troubleshooting from the guy on the other forum though. I take it that's a maintained toggle switch? Here's the schematic for the 97 4Runner. You can see the green/yellow wire coming from the ECU feeding the circuit opening relay.
Attached Images
bad software/ECU ground-1997-cor-jpg 
__________________
1997 Toyota 4Runner
Sparky 97Runner is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 12-15-2024, 03:09 PM #11
Sparky 97Runner's Avatar
Sparky 97Runner Sparky 97Runner is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Fair Oaks, CA (Sacramento)
Posts: 316
Sparky 97Runner will become famous soon enough Sparky 97Runner will become famous soon enough
Sparky 97Runner Sparky 97Runner is offline
Member
Sparky 97Runner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Fair Oaks, CA (Sacramento)
Posts: 316
Sparky 97Runner will become famous soon enough Sparky 97Runner will become famous soon enough
Also, make sure the ECU grounding point on the driver side of the intake manifold is connected good and clean.
__________________
1997 Toyota 4Runner
Sparky 97Runner is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 12-15-2024, 05:23 PM #12
Previologist Previologist is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2023
Posts: 260
Previologist will become famous soon enough
Previologist Previologist is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2023
Posts: 260
Previologist will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by negusm View Post
From the Circuit Diagram that looks like the COR (Circuit Open Relay). It's probably bad. But weird that it works intermittently like that.

Not sure what you mean by intermittently. But I agree its probably the COR, from your post on the other forum and this one I dug up after reading that..

Making a cor (circuit-opening relay) test relay

It seems mine is an easier way to get the same effect as the "test circuit" although I can't take credit for the idea.
__________________
97 4runner 5-speed 3.4
Previologist is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 12-15-2024, 05:26 PM #13
Previologist Previologist is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2023
Posts: 260
Previologist will become famous soon enough
Previologist Previologist is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2023
Posts: 260
Previologist will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparky 97Runner View Post
Also, make sure the ECU grounding point on the driver side of the intake manifold is connected good and clean.
The one hidden under that thick oil and dirt layer? Maybe I'll find it when I do the valve cover gaskets next spring.

I'm not sure what you mean by "maintained" toggle switch.
__________________
97 4runner 5-speed 3.4
Previologist is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 12-15-2024, 08:10 PM #14
Sparky 97Runner's Avatar
Sparky 97Runner Sparky 97Runner is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Fair Oaks, CA (Sacramento)
Posts: 316
Sparky 97Runner will become famous soon enough Sparky 97Runner will become famous soon enough
Sparky 97Runner Sparky 97Runner is offline
Member
Sparky 97Runner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Fair Oaks, CA (Sacramento)
Posts: 316
Sparky 97Runner will become famous soon enough Sparky 97Runner will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by Previologist View Post
The one hidden under that thick oil and dirt layer? Maybe I'll find it when I do the valve cover gaskets next spring.
This one here.
Attached Images
bad software/ECU ground-ground-jpg 
__________________
1997 Toyota 4Runner
Sparky 97Runner is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 12-15-2024, 08:19 PM #15
Sparky 97Runner's Avatar
Sparky 97Runner Sparky 97Runner is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Fair Oaks, CA (Sacramento)
Posts: 316
Sparky 97Runner will become famous soon enough Sparky 97Runner will become famous soon enough
Sparky 97Runner Sparky 97Runner is offline
Member
Sparky 97Runner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Fair Oaks, CA (Sacramento)
Posts: 316
Sparky 97Runner will become famous soon enough Sparky 97Runner will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by Previologist View Post
I'm not sure what you mean by "maintained" toggle switch.
Maintained vs momentary. In your case maintained switch maintains its position until you push or pull it to the other position. A momentary switch would only maintain its position until you stop pushing the switch.
__________________
1997 Toyota 4Runner
Sparky 97Runner is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply

Tags
fix , ground , pump , toggle , years

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
who knows a good OBD-II software? Jan777 4th Gen T4Rs 18 01-10-2022 10:12 AM
OBD II hardware/software Kmvreter Maintenance/Detailing 7 02-06-2007 01:32 PM
Does the T4R Need Software Updates? jpalaska 4th Gen T4Rs 7 11-27-2006 12:03 PM
Software updates on my '03 V8 gregtay 4th Gen T4Rs 6 09-10-2004 01:30 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:22 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2025 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2025 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2025 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
***This site is an unofficial Toyota site, and is not officially endorsed, supported, authorized by or affiliated with Toyota. All company, product, or service names references in this web site are used for identification purposes only and may be trademarks of their respective owners. The Toyota name, marks, designs and logos, as well as Toyota model names, are registered trademarks of Toyota Motor Corporation***Ad Management plugin by RedTyger
 
Copyright © 2020