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That's a suspension bushing thing most often.
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And that's what's driving me crazy!
front:
SPC arms with new UBJs
no noticeable play
whiteline poly lowers
new OEM LBJs
no noticeable play
Even brake wear on TBU
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upper & lower
brand new Opt links
Whiteline poly panhard
I'm starting to wonder if the frame has a crack or something... O_o
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11-19-2024, 08:07 PM
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Yup.
If I stab the brakes, the wheel darts to the left a few degrees.
I did the shaft tack weld, so it's not that. rag joint seems good?
I am also likely due for another alignment, so that's not helping either...
I'm crossing my fingers I still have the other polys for the rack.
I'm chucking them in this week if I do. I'll report any changes after.
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Same exact thing happens to me if I brake hard…
I have gotten 3 alignments in about 2 months, 1 before I installed the new rack and tie rods and 2 after the new steering rack and tie rods. My wheel is still crooked a couple degrees.
Keep me posted on the new poly bushings. I’m thinking about installing mine since the general consensus is to have them installed over OEM. Sucks because I wish I installed them while the rack was out.
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When I replaced my sons rack with a genuine toyita one, it also had movement. I swapped out all the bushings with poly and it still had some movement. I ended up putting a shim in the D bushing and that elininated the play. Sons 4runner has 285 17 16 tires. I testing the movement in park with 4runner running turning tires back and forth. Also, his prior after market steering rack had poly bushings and no movement.
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11-20-2024, 11:57 AM
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I’m starting to think that maybe the OEM bushings are really just this soft.
I drove around for about 20 min yesterday and everything feels tight, just steering wheel movement when braking hard and crooked steering wheel when driving straight.
Im gonna give it some time and maybe this is just how its supposed to be.
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crooked steering wheel when driving straight.
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Does the amount of "crooked" change or is always the same?
Have you done a full bolt check / re-torque of all the suspension parts?
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HD Billet Rack Clamp
– Opt Offroad I wonder if something like this would fix it. Maybe your d clamp is bent a little bit.
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Per the video, the rack is free to slide sideways back and forth. The D clamp is not there to hold the rack in place side to side. The drivre side and center, forward facing mounts are what does that. Something is either loose or missing there.
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11-21-2024, 03:22 PM
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Does the amount of "crooked" change or is always the same?
Have you done a full bolt check / re-torque of all the suspension parts?
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The crooked steering wheel stays about the same.
No I have not. Makes me wonder if something else is loose since I’ve been putting all my attention towards the steering rack.
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Per the video, the rack is free to slide sideways back and forth. The D clamp is not there to hold the rack in place side to side. The drivre side and center, forward facing mounts are what does that. Something is either loose or missing there.
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What is the actual function of the D clamp? I thought it would have something to do with side to side movement.
The washer on the driver side was not OEM so I replaced it with a OEM washer and torqued to 141 ft/lbs. Other than that it was just the long bolt and nut to tighten it.
I can double check to make sure I didn’t mix up the center bolt for the d clamp bolt since I know they are different lengths.
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I did still have my old rack and pulled the remaining bushings out of it.
Is there any compelling reason to allow the movement?
i.e. vibrations etc. not withstanding, does the rubber play permit a little give
when pushed up against a rock or minor wheel impacts being absorbed better?
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Yes, the rubber gives it some flex from road imperfections. The D clamp is to help eliminate front and rear movement. Vertical bolt, left to right movement and rotational, horizontal bolt is the same, left to right and rotational.
I have derlin bushings in my miata and a de powered rack. A little bump can catch you off guard sometimes.
Also as for the wheel turning, does it happen on every road or just some? Roads can have crazy crowns and can cause cars to do wierd things. Are your tire pressures the same?
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The crooked steering wheel stays about the same
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That just means you had lazy alignment techs. One of the steps in an alignment is getting the steering wheel straight.
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Yes, the rubber gives it some flex from road imperfections. The D clamp is to help eliminate front and rear movement. Vertical bolt, left to right movement and rotational, horizontal bolt is the same, left to right and rotational.
I have derlin bushings in my miata and a de powered rack. A little bump can catch you off guard sometimes.
Also as for the wheel turning, does it happen on every road or just some? Roads can have crazy crowns and can cause cars to do wierd things. Are your tire pressures the same?
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Thanks for an explanation.
It happens on most roads and I can really replicate the wheel turning when braking hard. It will turn to the right a couple degrees and then when I let off it goes back to normal.
I will check my tire pressures all around and start looking at making sure all the suspension hardware is tight too.
Could the pulling of the steering wheel have something to do with brake components?
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That just means you had lazy alignment techs. One of the steps in an alignment is getting the steering wheel straight.
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The steering wheel has been given back to me straight the last three alignments I got but eventually it would just work itself off center. Every time I worked on the steering rack I would lock the wheel straight too.
They also did the last two for free so I can’t really hate on them haha
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GhostRing
I did still have my old rack and pulled the remaining bushings out of it.
Is there any compelling reason to allow the movement?
i.e. vibrations etc. not withstanding, does the rubber play permit a little give
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They're there to allow it to move a *little* bit, and then deflect back.
In the video it seems like the rack is sliding sideways back and forth way too much. That is, very directly, the steering wheel turning and the wheels aren't (as much as they should).
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