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Old 04-13-2021, 12:19 PM #3961
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Did you need aftermarket UCAs?
No, the guy selling the gear from his 2020 Tacoma TRD OR had the UCAs too so I used those. I don't think I have more than a couple of inches height over stock so it shouldn't be an issue; IIRC, it's 3" lift or more where you need different UCAs than stock. (Please correct me if that's incorrect.)
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Without going through all 265 pages of this thread I'll just ask my question.

If I have both the RAS and XREAS(Limited model), if I remove the Xreas system to just convert it to a normal suspension(shocks/struts) do I have remove the RAS and replace them with coils too?
Some parts guy at one of the local Toyota dealers is trying to tell me I can't put a normal shock on if I have the RAS system.
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OME front lift excessive; replaced with Bilstein 5100s @ 0.85

Here is my experience with the Old Man Emu front struts advertised as "Stock/Light Duty Kit 1.5"- 2" Lift," and replaced with Bilstein 5100s at the 0.85 height setting (second slot from bottom for the C-clip).

My 2005 4Runner was completely stock, and too low. I did not, and do not care about appearance, e.g., "leveling" or "rake." I am not into cosmetic buildups. I am not a poser. Rather, being in the wildland-travel business, function and reliability are what I care about, as my three 4Runners have work to do.

Stock, it had about 8 inches from the front crossmember to ground. That is inadequate for a vehicle that is actually used to travel wildland roads, IMO. It is the location that often impacts roadbed rocks and ledges. So that measurement -- not wheel hub to lower fender lip -- is the distance that matters.

After installation, I found that the OME kit's advertised specs (1.5-2 inches of lift) substantially understated the actual lift all-round. The OME kit (884 springs and OME shocks, with a trim spacer on the driver front to address the known Toyota driver-side lean) put the actual front clearance at ~14.5 inches from the front crossmember to ground.

I liked the OME kit's handling and ride. The off-road performance was greatly enhanced. I even liked the bold look.

However, the truck immediately began emitting a low, harmonic, rotational groan when cold. The sound disappeared when I switched into 4WD, and after the drivetrain had warmed up. I don't know why.

Also, the OME kit's excessive lift put the CV axles at a substantial angle, upward from the wheel inward. So the boots tore VERY prematurely. As I drive a great deal on unpaved roads, and ford streams from time to time, the axles had to be replaced many thousands of miles before they should have been. (Please don't suggest that I could have just replaced the boots or installed boots for steep axle angles, changed the upper control arms, or added a differential case drop kit ... I had no interest in seeing matters metastasize.)

Also, I've been told that the excessive lift damaged the upper ball joints on both sides, causing an annoying suspension squeak ... meaning they now have to be replaced ($400+).

The lift also caused a loss of about 3-4 mpg in fuel consumption (down to 16-ish), which I anticipated.

Clearly, the OME kit's excessive and inaccurately described lift -- well beyond what ARB and the retailer still advertise for a stock/light-duty 4th gen 4Runner -- was causing problems that probably would only get worse.

So recently (April 2021), I had the OME front struts replaced with Bilstein 5100s, set at the 0.85 height setting with a quarter-inch Superior Suspensions-brand trim spacer (~$22) on the driver side to mitigate the common lean (due, it is said, to the battery and fuel tank being on that side, but I don't buy that). With the Bilsteins, I used the stock springs, which I'd kept. (Keep your old parts!)

(FYI, the springs are assigned specifically to the driver and passenger sides. Toyota color-codes truck springs with dabs of paint for the driver and passenger sides ... for 4th gen 4Runners, red & white is driver side; red & blue is passenger side. You can find Toyota's spring color codes here.)

The axles are now level, not angled. The harmonic groaning is gone. The ride is fine. While the front is much lower now, MPGs are now 19-20ish, occasionally better.

At the 0.85-inch setting, the Bilsteins put the actual clearance from the front crossmember to ground approximately 1.5 inch higher (9.5 inches) than stock. Again, stock was about 8 inches. (An aside: 9.5 inches is the same clearance as my stock, bought-new 1990 4Runner, which has been capable and reliable in very tough terrain and through years of hard use, and which I still have.)

This suggests that the next slot up on the Bilstein shocks -- advertised as 1.75 inch -- would probably exceed 2 inches actual. Bear this in mind if you are trying to determine the actual lift that will result from the several height settings available on the Bilstein 5100s.

Also bear the following in mind:

While the Bilstein 5100s are advertised as "adjustable," in reality that is kind of theoretical. This is due to the labor cost of making a change.

Changing the lift setting on Bilstein 5100s involves total removal and disassembly of the struts, plus front-end realignment. Expect to pay several hundred dollars for a shop to do it. (I will guess someone will chime in here with a DYI method.) If you don't like the change, you'll have to pay again to reset it.

I did keep the OME kit on the rear, since this 4Runner is often heavily loaded with long-term camping gear and supplies. For those concerned with looks, the truck looks good. (Photo is below.)

So, at this point, the Bilsteins are probably what I should have gone with at the outset. Going with OME was a costly error. My lo$$. I am disappointed that the actual results in my case were inaccurate and problematic. ARB, the manufacturer, does not accurately represent actual results -- and potential consequences. Nor did the reputable and very experienced retailer, who should know better. They just published -- and continue to publish -- ARB's inaccurate specs.

Below, the gray 4Runner has the OME kit installed. For comparison, the black one beside it is a stock '04 that I also own. Both have 17-inch tires and stock wheels.





Here is the gray 4Runner with the Bilstein 5100s, set at 0.85 inch:



So far, so good ...

Oh, in case it's helpful, here is the original, stock, color-coded driver-side spring on a bone-stock 2005 ...

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ByWays, thanks for your very long writeup. I'm going with the Bilstein 5100s bit at stock height.
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So recently (April 2021), I had the OME front struts replaced with Bilstein 5100s, set at the 0.85 height setting and with a quarter-inch trim spacer on the driver side to mitigate the infamous "Toyota lean". The axles are now level, not angled upward. The harmonic groaning is gone. The ride is fine.
Great writeup. And to be clear, are you still running the 884s with the 5100s?
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Great writeup. And to be clear, are you still running the 884s with the 5100s?
In front, I have the stock springs with the Bilsteins at the 0.85 setting. In the rear, it is still the 884 springs with the OME shocks, a good setup I find, as I am often heavily laden with camping gear and a second spare tire on a hitch-mounted swingarm. The truck appears level when loaded.

I hope this is helpful.
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ByWays, thanks for your very long writeup. I'm going with the Bilstein 5100s bit at stock height.
You are welcome. It is the kind of factual information I was looking for myself. My guess is you can expect a slight lift above stock, and it will be fine.

Please post what you get!
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I am getting ready to my 2.5" Dobinson lift but still am struggling with
tires and potential wheels.
I have a 2008 V8 with 265/65/18 right now and considering the following;
265/70/17 SL 47Lbs
275/70/17 C 57lbs
275/65/18 SL 47lbs

Most of what we do is local driving but we do a bit of camping and fishing, forest and gravel roads. Maybe looking into light overlanding. We do pull a small 5x8' trailer with camping gear and raft.

Im concerned that that the 265/70/17 will look small with the lift and the 275/70/17 at 57lbs each may be a gas eater.
Other than potential price and availability is there any other reason to stay away from 18 wheels, like shorter sidewall?
You should look at 255/75/17 it's still 10inches wide plenty width and 32 inches tall and much less weight than 275s for the same amount of height gain and easier to fit
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2003 Limited V8. Bilstein 5100 all around (lowest/stock perch setting on front), OME 887 front springs (used, already settled), Toytec Superflex rear (new, not settled), 5th gen TRD Off-road wheels, 285/70/17 Falken Wildpeak MT tires. Stock UCAs. Only rubbing was front fender liners. A little massaging with a heat gun and we are good to go.
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Did your spare tire fit in stock location?

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Hi all, so stoked to have found this place! I'm sorry to ask the same questions as many before me but I just can't figure this out or find a simple explain-to-a-dumby answer, so I really appreciate any light you can shed on Belstein 5100s lifts...

Just bought a 2003 4runner that's in need of shock replacements. I'm looking to do some back/off-roading so thought I would add a lift at the same time. I was weighing up whether to set 0.85" adjustment in front, 0" rear but I'm leaning more towards 1.75" front and adding a 1" spacer in the back to get a little more lift while maintaining a little of the rake (I will have bikes and luggage in the rear normally). 2.5" front was concerning me that it may require other adjustments (UCA adjustment etc.) and may be too much lift. Will use stock springs.

My questions:
1. Does 1.75" front, 1" rear sound about right for what I want?
2. How does the spacer addition affect performance - maybe the lower lift of 0.85" front would be better? (I've only realised today that a spacer is needed in the rear and the rear shock isn't adjustable d'oh).
3. What spacers are people recommending?
4. Am I likely to need to adjust any thing else to suit a lift at this height- body trim etc.?
5. Is there a better reasonably priced alternative than the spacer? I see on Page 1 that spacers aren't ideal?

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Opinions sought

I also posted the below on IH8MUD, and a search here pretty much answered my questions about the KYB struts/shocks and the Moog springs - they're good products.

Even so, I'm pasting the entire thing here, in case anyone has any strong opinions:


I recently acquired a 2008 4Runner V8, SR5 4x4. The front suspension is stock Toyota struts - possibly the original ones, but I can't be sure. In any event, I think the shocks are done, or close to it. Springs too. The front end sits pretty low - lower than the factory rake would be, yet the ride is a fairly springy. Driving, it feels like you're barely higher than a sedan. It sits a couple of inches lower than my wife's bone stock 2018 4Runner Limited, at least in the front.

I'd like to bring the whole truck up a bit and reduce or eliminate the rake. It's my daughter's truck, and it's not likely to ever leave the pavement.

What I'm considering is new KYB struts in the front, KYB shocks in the back, and Moog springs in the back. All OEM spec.

Plus the Rough Country spacer kit that brings the front up 2" and the rear up 1".

So, the questions are:

1. Does anyone have any experience with, or educated thoughts on, the stock height KYB and Moog components.

2. Does anyone have any experience with, or educated thoughts on, the Rough Country (or any equivalent) spacer kit?

3. If you'd advise against either or both, what would you suggest as an alternative? And why?


Thanks!
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Did your spare tire fit in stock location?

TIA

I’ve got same size ATIIIs and went w RIGd hitch rack




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They are JDMs … no longer available on Amazon when I searched just now, unfortunately.


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Hi everyone, thanks for all the excellent information on this thread. I have a 2007 2WD (cry, cry) V8. If I want to stick with stock height and OEM springs, are these the right Bilstein 5100 part numbers? For stock height I'd set them at the lowest setting, correct?

Bilstein 24-239370 - Bilstein B8 5100 Series Shocks
Bilstein 33-187174 - Bilstein B8 5100 Series Shocks

Thanks for the help!
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