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Old 10-06-2021, 04:21 PM #4036
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Quick question for all the suspension gurus. After installing some 5100s w/ FJ springs on the 'stock/bottom' setting, I got the truck aligned and the caster is already maxed out (roughly 1" of lift). I was hoping to to go up a setting to the .85" to level the stance out a bit more, but will I need UCAs to do so? Seems weird as I thought UCAs were needed more for 2.5-3" of lift. Could it be bad bushing instead? Looking for a little insight before I drop $650 on new UCAs.
I picked up an 07 V8 4WD this weekend with 5100s on it, going to get it aligned and balanced at Firestone this Friday. It sits level and the spring perch ring is at least one above the lowest setting. I'll let you know Friday which level it's set to and how well it aligns
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Pulled the trigger on the Accutune stage 3 Fox 2.5 set up. Has Icon ucas and plus 1" springs. Does anyone have any info or experience with this setup?
This is what's UP! I had the stage 3 non-adjustable setup on my 04 for about a year before I foolishly sold it. Loved the setup and found a pretty solid shop to do the work for me. I dropped the 4Runner off about 5AM on my way to work with the parts in the back. Half an hour to clock-out I get a call it's done, they did exactly what I needed and the work was super clean.

I had 285/70/R17 Nitto Ridge Graps on 17x8.5 Stealth6 wheels. Keep in mind this is a body-on-frame SUV we're talking about, not a unibody crossover with cushy street tires. That said, the Foxes rode wonderfully. Small bumps were still felt, but that was the nature of my tires' thick sidewalls. Big undulations, like the pavement between expansion joints going over a bridge, were divine, and speed bumps were laughably smooth. I think you'll really enjoy the setup
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Here is my experience with the Old Man Emu front struts advertised as "Stock/Light Duty Kit 1.5"- 2" Lift," and replaced with Bilstein 5100s at the 0.85 height setting (second slot from bottom for the C-clip).

My 2005 4Runner was completely stock, and too low. I did not, and do not care about appearance, e.g., "leveling" or "rake." I am not into cosmetic buildups. I am not a poser. Rather, being in the wildland-travel business, function and reliability are what I care about, as my three 4Runners have work to do.

Stock, it had about 8 inches from the front crossmember to ground. That is inadequate for a vehicle that is actually used to travel wildland roads, IMO. It is the location that often impacts roadbed rocks and ledges. So that measurement -- not wheel hub to lower fender lip -- is the distance that matters.

After installation, I found that the OME kit's advertised specs (1.5-2 inches of lift) substantially understated the actual lift all-round. The OME kit (884 springs and OME shocks, with a trim spacer on the driver front to address the known Toyota driver-side lean) put the actual front clearance at ~14.5 inches from the front crossmember to ground.

I liked the OME kit's handling and ride. The off-road performance was greatly enhanced. I even liked the bold look.

However, the truck immediately began emitting a low, harmonic, rotational groan when cold. The sound disappeared when I switched into 4WD, and after the drivetrain had warmed up. I don't know why.

Also, the OME kit's excessive lift put the CV axles at a substantial angle, upward from the wheel inward. So the boots tore VERY prematurely. As I drive a great deal on unpaved roads, and ford streams from time to time, the axles had to be replaced many thousands of miles before they should have been. (Please don't suggest that I could have just replaced the boots or installed boots for steep axle angles, changed the upper control arms, or added a differential case drop kit ... I had no interest in seeing matters metastasize.)

Also, I've been told that the excessive lift damaged the upper ball joints on both sides, causing an annoying suspension squeak ... meaning they now have to be replaced ($400+).

The lift also caused a loss of about 3-4 mpg in fuel consumption (down to 16-ish), which I anticipated.

Clearly, the OME kit's excessive and inaccurately described lift -- well beyond what ARB and the retailer still advertise for a stock/light-duty 4th gen 4Runner -- was causing problems that probably would only get worse.

So recently (April 2021), I had the OME front struts replaced with Bilstein 5100s, set at the 0.85 height setting with a quarter-inch Superior Suspensions-brand trim spacer (~$22) on the driver side to mitigate the common lean (due, it is said, to the battery and fuel tank being on that side, but I don't buy that). With the Bilsteins, I used the stock springs, which I'd kept. (Keep your old parts!)

(FYI, the springs are assigned specifically to the driver and passenger sides. Toyota color-codes truck springs with dabs of paint for the driver and passenger sides ... for 4th gen 4Runners, red & white is driver side; red & blue is passenger side. You can find Toyota's spring color codes here.)

The axles are now level, not angled. The harmonic groaning is gone. The ride is fine. While the front is much lower now, MPGs are now 19-20ish, occasionally better.

At the 0.85-inch setting, the Bilsteins put the actual clearance from the front crossmember to ground approximately 1.5 inch higher (9.5 inches) than stock. Again, stock was about 8 inches. (An aside: 9.5 inches is the same clearance as my stock, bought-new 1990 4Runner, which has been capable and reliable in very tough terrain and through years of hard use, and which I still have.)

This suggests that the next slot up on the Bilstein shocks -- advertised as 1.75 inch -- would probably exceed 2 inches actual. Bear this in mind if you are trying to determine the actual lift that will result from the several height settings available on the Bilstein 5100s.

Also bear the following in mind:

While the Bilstein 5100s are advertised as "adjustable," in reality that is kind of theoretical. This is due to the labor cost of making a change.

Changing the lift setting on Bilstein 5100s involves total removal and disassembly of the struts, plus front-end realignment. Expect to pay several hundred dollars for a shop to do it. (I will guess someone will chime in here with a DYI method.) If you don't like the change, you'll have to pay again to reset it.

I did keep the OME kit on the rear, since this 4Runner is often heavily loaded with long-term camping gear and supplies. For those concerned with looks, the truck looks good. (Photo is below.)

So, at this point, the Bilsteins are probably what I should have gone with at the outset. Going with OME was a costly error. My lo$$. I am disappointed that the actual results in my case were inaccurate and problematic. ARB, the manufacturer, does not accurately represent actual results -- and potential consequences. Nor did the reputable and very experienced retailer, who should know better. They just published -- and continue to publish -- ARB's inaccurate specs.]
I also had a similar experience with the OME 884's. I'm sorry I did not see Byways post earlier.

I used 5100's front and rear with the OME 884's on the stock (lowest) setting in the front and Toytech Super Flex springs in the rear. Putting the stock springs next to the 884's, the 884's were about 2 inches taller but after installing them I had a little over 5 inches of lift in the front. As Byways has noted the CV axle angle is very steep. Too steep to expect any kind of longevity.

I had measured from the center of the hub to the bottom of the fender. Stock was 18 1/2 inches and with the 884's it was a little over 24 inches. I only wanted 2-2 1/2 inches of lift. I ended up pulling the 884's off and setting the front 5100's to the 3rd setting from the bottom and putting the stock springs back on. This gave me exactly 2 1/2 inches. Perfect.

Maybe the 884's are just too stiff. I don't know but they did not work out for me.

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I also had a similar experience with the OME 884's. I'm sorry I did not see Byways post earlier.

I used 5100's front and rear with the OME 884's on the stock (lowest) setting in the front and Toytech Super Flex springs in the rear. Putting the stock springs next to the 884's, the 884's were about 2 inches taller but after installing them I had a little over 5 inches of lift in the front. As Byways has noted the CV axle angle is very steep. Too steep to expect any kind of longevity.

I had measured from the center of the hub to the bottom of the fender. Stock was 18 1/2 inches and with the 884's it was a little over 24 inches. I only wanted 2-2 1/2 inches of lift. I ended up pulling the 884's off and setting the front 5100's to the 3rd setting from the bottom and putting the stock springs back on. This gave me exactly 2 1/2 inches. Perfect.

Maybe the 884's are just too stiff. I don't know but they did not work out for me.

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My experience with OME 884 was the same. Installed with 5100's on the bottom setting and got 4" of lift on the front.
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I also had a similar experience with the OME 884's. I'm sorry I did not see Byways post earlier.

I used 5100's front and rear with the OME 884's on the stock (lowest) setting in the front and Toytech Super Flex springs in the rear. Putting the stock springs next to the 884's, the 884's were about 2 inches taller but after installing them I had a little over 5 inches of lift in the front. As Byways has noted the CV axle angle is very steep. Too steep to expect any kind of longevity.

I had measured from the center of the hub to the bottom of the fender. Stock was 18 1/2 inches and with the 884's it was a little over 24 inches. I only wanted 2-2 1/2 inches of lift. I ended up pulling the 884's off and setting the front 5100's to the 3rd setting from the bottom and putting the stock springs back on. This gave me exactly 2 1/2 inches. Perfect.

Maybe the 884's are just too stiff. I don't know but they did not work out for me.

New OME 884 front springs for sale $150, includes shipping. LOL !


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Yikes, I had intended to go with 884s or 885s (have a metal front bumper, v6) and super flexes but this seems like an extreme amount of lift up front.

Did the OME spring specs change? I know a few members that have been running that setup without issue for years but everything recent is similar to your experience.
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Yikes, I had intended to go with 884s or 885s (have a metal front bumper, v6) and super flexes but this seems like an extreme amount of lift up front.

Did the OME spring specs change? I know a few members that have been running that setup without issue for years but everything recent is similar to your experience.
I am currently on 5100's all around with OME 884/895. Idk about 5 inches of lift in the front? Maybe he was still on 31" tires? I have the same settings as him, first notch recommended setting.

onto my next question, would you guys swap out the rear springs when upgrading fronts and rear shocks? I have 6112's and 5160's sitting here waiting to be installed. But I was wondering if I should upgrade rear springs as well? I don't mind the 895's. I only have a custom swing out in the back.
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I am currently on 5100's all around with OME 884/895. Idk about 5 inches of lift in the front? Maybe he was still on 31" tires? I have the same settings as him, first notch recommended setting.

onto my next question, would you guys swap out the rear springs when upgrading fronts and rear shocks? I have 6112's and 5160's sitting here waiting to be installed. But I was wondering if I should upgrade rear springs as well? I don't mind the 895's. I only have a custom swing out in the back.
Just thought i'd let you know my experience with the 6112s.
If you are running 6112s with a V8 4th Gen, you might only get 2" lift depending on the spring with the 6112s. I had to swap my springs with the higher rated ones by Bilstein P/N 53-291387 B12 to get close to 3". I think 3" is the max for 3112 at least for the V8.

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Just thought i'd let you know my experience with the 6112s.
If you are running 6112s with a V8 4th Gen, you might only get 2" lift depending on the spring with the 6112s. I had to swap my springs with the higher rated ones by Bilstein P/N 53-291387 B12 to get close to 3". I think 3" is the max for 3112 at least for the V8.

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Thank you mike. I actually have the v6 so I hope it'll be alright. Should I swap the springs out still?
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Thank you mike. I actually have the v6 so I hope it'll be alright. Should I swap the springs out still?
I can't guarantee anything but if you have V6 the max will be 3" per Bilstein spec sheet with 6112 with 600lbs springs. I had to swap my springs to 650lbs to attain 3". Hope that helps you. I added photo of mine with springs changed.

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I can't guarantee anything but if you have V6 the max will be 3" per Bilstein spec sheet with 6112 with 600lbs springs. I had to swap my springs to 650lbs to attain 3". Hope that helps you. I added photo of mine with springs changed.

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when you say clip 5, is that from the bottom or starting from the top?
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when you say clip 5, is that from the bottom or starting from the top?
Hi and from the bottom as #1. Basically next to highest clip or 5 of 6.
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Hi and from the bottom as #1. Basically next to highest clip or 5 of 6.
Ah okay. This mine on 5100s on the lowest clip. I was just gonna either leave it on the lowest or the first clip when I install the 6112's.

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Ah okay. This mine on 5100s on the lowest clip. I was just gonna either leave it on the lowest or the first clip when I install the 6112's.

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Hi and nice ride and nice height with OMEs. I don't know if you are trying to lower height or same height as photo. I think you might need to use clip 5 minimum for about 2.5" lift per Bilstein Manual. If you have lowest clip setting it will only raise 1.38". Manual says V8 but I think it is similar to V6 depending if you have 600lbs or 650lbs coil spring.

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Hi and nice ride and nice height with OMEs. I don't know if you are trying to lower height or same height as photo. I think you might need to use clip 5 minimum for about 2.5" lift per Bilstein Manual. If you have lowest clip setting it will only raise 1.38". Manual says V8 but I think it is similar to V6 depending if you have 600lbs or 650lbs coil spring.

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Damn you got me thinking now. Yeah I lifted vehicle with OME springs. I was hoping to achieve this same height if not higher. The rear should be the same if I keep the rear OME 895.
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Damn you got me thinking now. Yeah I lifted vehicle with OME springs. I was hoping to achieve this same height if not higher. The rear should be the same if I keep the rear OME 895.
No problem. I liked the 6112s for the 2.5 diameter body but didn't realize the lift height was as aggressive as i wanted for my V8. Just didn't want you remove/reassemble to adjust height since it takes about an hour to adjust clips. Didn't want you to go through the pain I went thru.

Maybe the 650lbs springs may raise your V6 similar to the OMEs but I really don't know. Now I have an extra set of 600lbs springs in the garage after replacement.

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