bowtie...To be an engineer you first have to have LOGIC. You've shown me no such evidence that you have any. Sorry..but it's true.

All I asked from you was PROOF of what you claimed...That right there shows me your lack of understanding simple engineering principles. You've yet to show me the proof...instead you personally attack me. My 16yo knows more about science then ever could. Just because the military lets you play with their systems doesn't mean you have the slightest understanding on how it works. I use to design radar systems for the Airforce and Navy. I worked with many military techs....only a handful knew anything about engineering or science.

Quoting what you said you never claimed. Since your memory is foggy apparently

Enlighten me on the radar systems you designed for the military? I know you're lying because people involved with that sort of thing don't brag about it. I know people working on exactly that sort of project an have been sworn to above top secret security and can't even participate in any form of social networking.

You can throw out generic claims and question logic, but all you have managed to do is back pedal and contradict your own post.

Show me one engineer that brags about being an engineer? Majority of them are humble about their education and share very detailed information to help other people understand where they are coming from.

Where did you receive your engineering degree and in what year? What type of engineering did you major in? Enlighten us great engineer

WHAT....show me ONE place I back peddled..Your are such a child...

Again...where's the proof of what you keep claiming...Still waiting.....

Radar system...

OTH-B was one of the big ones I worked on. At the time it was the largest military contract EVER....Now if you claim you know something about this...you should be able to immediately tell us all what the B stands for. And for a bonus question...what it actually means.

BS in Computer Science/Computer Engineering from Syracuse University 1979. MS in Applied Mathematics from Boston University 1986.

Yes we got that point the first post you made there was no need for you to continously rage about how CAI's and exhaust systems are usless. However, computer chips are not useless. There are some out there that are a rip off and do nothing but there are performance chips and programmers that will give signifigant gains to the 4runners if sourced and used properly with additional changes to allow the chip to be most efficient.

you were refering to the 4runner being a truck and not a racing car however some racing cars are using 4runner engines.. would be the discussion base for my most previous post. just because its a truck doesnt mean theres not a racing class for it




Then this statement would be the discussion base for my first post. They dont idle like crap, that "crap" you speak of is the sound of raw engine power waiting to be unleashed. I've never heard any car guy refer to the idle of a built V8 as sounding like crap thats like a vegitarian saying salads taste bad

Here's my exact quote.....
Turbo charging an engine like the one you show above...yea..that's a great way to get great hp improvements. In fact if you look back at my earlier posts I even said so.

So I said that Turbo and Super charging DOES increase HP...and then later I said it..NOW YOUR saying that I backpedaled...It's your lack of reading comprehension and logic I keep taking about it. Nice try...C for effort.

aha...Let's look at the content of this discussion. Racing and street are completely different animals. Racking does NOT have to meet any of the EPA restrictions. This whole discussion was about adding performance to the stock 4runners. Nothing was said about racing.

True...But I didn't by my truck to race. Is there anyone in this forum is racing their 4runner?? Racing is NOT what this discussion has been about. More performance to me would be for things like towing...NOT high-end RPM's for racing. Completely different design approaches.

A full racing cam does idle like crap...it's the nature of the beast. But that's OK. You can get it to idle better at a higher RPM..but not at the 800 rpms. It's no where near as smooth idle as a stock engine. Not saying racing cams are bad. In fact if you want good power..they can be a great way to achieve it for little money (at least compared to a turbo charger).

Show me the one that is. What I want to see is independent testing that PROVES there is actually an increase in performance and sill legal. I can find all the advertisement claims about these chips all day long. But to actually find one that works??? Not yet. I was first interested in performance chips when they first came out. I was looking at increasing the performance on my 90 Pathfinder. I did a lot of research back then..and studied how they actually work. Every thing I've read from all the independent testing (that wasn't paid for by the chip manufacturer) could only get marginal gains out of any chip by any manufacturer. Some vehicles show promising gains..but in general..they were pretty much bogus. Especially the ones that claim increased hp AND increased gas mileage.

The first sign that you're uneducated about performance tunes is your insistent on calling it a chip. It's not surprising though since your degree has very little to do with the topic at hand.

I remember a day when you actually had a "chip" that you would bust open the ECM and solder in place but those days are long gone.

You also obviously never studied anything or have a grasp on how an internal combustion engine works if you cannot see how changing an engines spark and fuel parameters. Tuning tools such as EFI Live, HP Tuners, Smarty allow you to do this and so much more. Fine tune nearly every single electronic event that happens in the vehicle.

You combine these types of software upgrades with hard parts like better flowing exhaust and intakes the gains are multiplied significantly.

Fuel economy is a part of that as well. Went from 11mpg to 15 in my 2500HD along with better throttle response and significant power gains across the entire RPM range. All from a simple thing called tuning. No hard parts what so ever

I'm NOT the one calling it a chip...It's the manufactures...and the OP calling it a chip. I'm just referring to what they are calling it.

Second off...my field is EXACTLY on what computer chips are...Geez are you ignorant.

Again...you ignorance is showing....Of course by changing the parameters you can effect performance. But if you actually understood how the "performance chips" work you would know that all you are doing is changing the look-up table the ECU's program is using to set the timing and gas/air mixture. The chip is NOT actually changing the programming...just the parameters used by the program.

Still waiting on your answers...to the questions.

Get back to me when you have those answers. I tired of playing with children.

heres some independent testing results of HP gains from just a cold air intake

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?...=1&output=html

heres some independent testing results of HP gains from just a performance exhaust

Pypes Performance Exhaust - Home Page

and then these are the dyno results of adding all this to a 1GR v6 engine and then tuning it with a unichip programmer. (crank power/toque not actual ground power/ torque readings)

http://www.unichip.us/system/uploads...%20Cruiser.pdf

answer any questions mike... looks like all of these items provide gains and when put together as well as tuned correctly can have a signifigant impact on power. I did notice with that unichip it seems to improve the low end torque/HP the best.. i thought you knew how to use google mike?

and if anyones interested in the programmer here is a link to it: http://www.andysautosport.com/toyota...i00182687.html