Hold on? you just seem to be the one person on this forum that disagrees with everyone, then give your opinion and think it is always the right one. Your like a lot of women, can't keep your mouth shut! For a great example, on the other thread about the guy getting tint. Give props and go on, but no, you have to call someone out, tell them that something doesn't match, be an Ahole and then try to take it back and say it looks good. Why even do that?

A quick thought experiment (we'll forget that you're rainin' on a thread that didn't solicit any advice).

One implication of your position is that the snowflake symbol must be worthless. I've been critical of the snowflake system, but the symbol is not worthless. Tires that have it don't get "paralyzed" by snow.

Oops.

I would hope that snow doesn't paralyze a tire with the snow flake/mountain on them. Otherwise we have some big issues that no one has discovered till wxman discovered the issue.. People must have been lied to for 50+ years...

snow flake/mountain description

mine are just fine in the snow up here in the NE.

to the original OP good luck with them.

@WXman in the last month i have ran 3 different tires on my 4runner

michelin ltx 265/70/16
BFG rugged trail ta 275/70/18
and finally
BFG all-terrain ta KOs 285/65/18

All of them used, all of them at least 7/32 tread depth. I dont care if the tread design is 50 years old. Out of the bunch the BFG at KOs are the ones i am keeping on my truck. Asthetics, they are awesome, dry/wet they are the best of the bunch. noise the michelins were quieter, by a little. maybe because this is a 10 ply tire. i am sure the rugged trail ta tire is a newer design but it sucked in the rain compared to the KO's ancient design.

@S p a r k y opinions are like @ssholes, everyone has one and is entittle to one. i for one will continue to be a BFG KO fan. I think pricing of a tire has alot to do with perception on how they perform. many people like coopers for the money you cant complain. with these bfg ko's that cost probably double what a compareable cooper costs, they should be awesome and drive themselves up the mountain! unfortunatly they dont, yet. price aside, i would choose BFG's over crappy coopers all day everyday, just because of what i see with tires on a daily basis.

There are articles all over the web about how the "mountain snowflake" symbol is worthless. It was developed many years ago. In that day and age, the tires that were branded with the symbol were pretty good snow tires. By today's standards, there are HT tires on the market now that will outperform some of the old AT tires with the symbol. Do some reading and you'll see how pathetic the old AT tires stack up to new technology. Testing done in Canada where they get a lot of snow has indicated that shoppers should completely ignore the mountain snowflake symbol when shopping for tires, as it is misleading. A new standard needs to be developed and I hear that many tire makers are working toward that now.

As far as driving in snow goes there are two schools of thought. In DEEP snow you want a tire that will hold onto snow because snow sticks to snow better than snow sticks to rubber in that scenario. So driving through 2 or 3 feet of powder in the wilderness a tire like the BFG might do OK.

However, in 95% of situations you see on the pavement you do NOT want a tire that holds onto snow. You want a tire that evacuates snow and slush and grips the road surface. This is why the BFG tire sucks, for lack of a better word. The interlocked tread pattern won't release anything...so you get a tire that is terrible for snow, slush, mud, even deep water puddles on the roadway. My personal experience is that they will "push" going into turns and they are dangerous. Tons of online reviews agree with me. The General Grabber AT2, Definity Dakota AT, etc. all have the same problem.

You guys keep acting like I'm raining on the parade. I don't really care. I'm offering good advice and experience because there is too much pushing of name brands on the internet. People need to be made aware of what they are getting with their hard earned money, rather than just buying product A because everybody else on the forum seems to be doing the same. If that bothers you, skip over my post and read on.

As usual, no links. Just assurances of your expertise. I would have thought the discussion about LT tires recently might have given you just a little pause.

The lack of a snowflake creates problems of interpretation, but the fact remains that no tire with the snowflake can be characterized as being "paralyzed" by snow. It's a patently ridiculous phrase but I see you're now adding the word "dangerous" to the hyperbole.

However, I can tell you're a man on a mission so maybe I'll help you out and make sure you don't miss any other threads where someone is showing new tires that don't meet with your approval. It'll be too late for them, of course, but just think how many people you can save.

Agreed!

Anyone that has actually had these tires in the snow will tell you that they are AWESOME. I ran them on my TJ in a blizzard and they were unstoppable.

Saying that they "suck" proves your ignorance.

Did not read any of the other post, but I like the tires they look great! I will probably get a pair when my MTRs get run down!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGYpLxRGyHA

this is my friend @seanmullin 's 05 on 285/70 bfg at's. we got 18 inches of snow in one night, and spent the next day driving on unplowed streets, getting stuck a total of 0 times. it was like the snow wasnt even there. first hand experience

Not real sure why u mentioned me? BFG at's are to of my list as well! I like them because they are 400 year old design! Classic and work, it is proven!

As far as the A holes, lol your right we are all entitled to them, however that doesn't mean we all want to see them! In other words, no need to say every wort tha comes to mind! All was directed at well they know who!

Seems like this thread has been resurrected, so maybe a good time to give some more feedback on the tires.

I was actually a little apprehensive as to how they would handle the snow and ice up here in Canada, but after going through the last half of last winter i can tell you that I was very impressed. One area you really get in trouble here is when you have a lot of sloppy snow between lanes on the highway, and you are trying to change lanes to pass a truck that is spraying rocks and sleet at you. These tires just bust right through the slop like nothing. With my previous Revo2's or the stock tires the truck would just be all over the place and it made passing scary.

Our family also has a small trailer and I can tell you these tires have vastly improved ride stability while pulling. Probably not a surprise considering LT vs. P, but I am really appreciating the difference.

The wear rate has been very good. To me the tires still look brand new after 8 months. There is just so much damn tread on these things!

I have not spent any time mud bogging so can't give a review on that, but for light 4x4 and logging / gravel road travel they have been working great so far.

Here are some picks with the trailer...and yes I know the bike rack is rediculous

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Of course they're better

Skyak - do you find it difficult to see with the bikes on the front?