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I just bought my '06 V6 Sport with 149,000 miles on it. No problems as of yet.
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Toyota changed the head gasket somewhere in the 06 model year from what I understand so hopefully you will be ok.
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Bought my wife's '04 a little over a year ago and it popped CEL, VSC TRAC, etc. with startup shudder about 6 months after having it. I thought holy smokes I got duped. So we prayed, and it went away magically. Then it randomly started overheatingslightly. So I topped off the coolant and all seemed well for a while.
But now it's back shuddering. The codes come and go and so do the higher temps. I topped off the resevoir and it idled fine for about 15 minutes. But the even numbered cylinder bank side is slightly louder than I ever remember it being (lifters ticking).
We just finished paying it off this month and I really dont want a costly repair. So do we:
1. Keep driving it as is until something worse happens.
2. Try a stop-leak like Bar's (generally good reviews online but with mixed results and feelings)
3. Save for a HG replacement.
4. Sell it now and get something else? It's got 193,300 on it. Everything else is literally flawless.
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09-19-2019, 06:22 PM
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sorry for kinda long.....
So, P0306.....it seems to be something of a "known issue" for the 4.0 liter engine. with higher miles. However, it's also true that reading a forum can make things look more prevalent than they really are. If 8 people all come on and say "Yea, me too"...it sounds epidemic. But maybe it's just 8 out of 300,000. Or maybe it really is a problem and needs to be considered.
Anyway,it seems that quite a few people have complained that they got the dreaded P0306 code (misfire in #6). Many then took it to the dealership who promptly nailed them for a "tune up" including plugs and a coil....only to eventually get to the real problem- "your head gasket failed at #6; and it's leaking coolant into the cylinder. You're F'd." It seems as if ALL of these people were at 120,000 - 160,000, with the majority seeming to be right at 150,000 miles.
Symptoms beside the code would be rough (as if missing a cylinder) at startup, especially after sitting for while.
I'm wondering if most or perhaps ALL V6s over 100k miles have this leak, but it's so small that it simply isn't noticed (yet); plus, it seals back up very quickly after startup, due to the intense combustion temps? After reading all the post on this subject, I'm convinced that mine has had this small leak for 100k miles now. It must just be soooooo small, that it hasn't become (and perhaps never will) a major issue. Why do I think I have a small leak, and have for long time? Here's what I've experienced-
1- maybe 10 times since I bought my truck (10 years ago) it shuddered for 5 seconds after startup....but later smooth out.
2- a couple times in summer, while climbing a hill, I could see white smoke in my rear-view mirror. Why it's only happened 3 times (that I know of)....I can't say. But I know it did happen.
3- A nd this is the big one for me: I pulled all the plugs. They ALL look exactly the same......except #6! It had significantly more deposits on it (not black).
Now, like I said, I'm wondering if perhaps most 4.0 engines have some leakage at #6 (seems it's an admitted design flaw, and Toyota has changed the HG design, as I understand it), but since the leak is so small, the owner is just unaware. So the real question is- how many drivers have over 175,000 miles on their 4.0 and have not seen the CEL come on, and find out it's P0306?
Sorry for the length....but this could be a serious issue for people wanting to get high-miles out of their 4Runner, like me. I wonder if:
1- everyone with over 100k miles on their truck pulled the #6 plug plus any other plug....if they'd see an obvious difference with lots more deposits on #6? or,
2- not that many would, and the real truth is that though HGs will fail on our engine, just like any engine, it's just that when it does n ours, it happens at #6.
Again, sorry for the length.
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My 2005 SR5 4 runner has never been low on coolant and has never had an "overheat". Check it every week.
Going to change the plugs and will watch them lined up soon - as I always do. To date, they have all looked pretty much the same. I change about every 4000 miles.
No codes on this V6 - ever.
150,000 slow miles (in the Bahamas).
Next stop 225,000 miles?
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Just bought this 07 sport 4runner and found a radiator leak the next day. So I changed the pump, radiator and spark plugs. Holy cow! It had the original spark plugs still at 222,000 miles. All gapped around 0.078”. #6 caught my eye with some residue on the ground strap. I have no symptoms, no cel, no white smoke. I hope it lasts for a while.
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Great info on this forum!
I have a 2005 with 158K on it. I am trying to figure out if I have this dreaded head gasket issue. I have had my truck in at my mechanic three times since May.
I've had the CEL with the VSC lights on for each visit. Currently the lights are not on. The truck has had the following done:
-New fuel vapor pressure control
-New plugs
-New ignition coil
-New rotors / pads & calipers
Dumped a good amount of money into this truck this summer and am really hesitate to put any more into it.
Currently I am experiencing:
-Rough start
-Intermittent AC -- AC will work for a bit, but then cut out. Seems to happen more when it is hotter. Also seems to happen more when the air circulator button is off
-Losing coolant - I've filled the reserve three times since July and the radiator once. I have found no visible coolant anywhere near the truck after it has sat.
During the second trip mechanic felt that due to the locked up calipers the truck was running super hot and losing coolant. He checked levels and reported all good. Week later - reserve tank empty!
It's had the following codes:
P0441
P0117
On the advice of a mechanic friend I have it going to a local dealership for a diagnosis. $65 for a coolant pressure test. Is there something else I should ask for?
I have some froth discharge on the oil cap, but nothing covering the cap. Occasionally I will smell exhaust - but I have not seen any white smoke.
Any and all tips are very much appreciated.
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I had to do head gaskets on my '04 at 203k... issue started around 190k... my ONLY symptom was loss of coolant... I lost about 2 ounces of coolant per 1,000 miles. I lived with it til I decided I didn't want to anymore and just got it done. YMMV
My truck passed a block test... had no misfires... no white smoke.... just coolant loss which got worse over time.
The way I verified the exhaust gas in coolant was to use a coolant funnel. I filled the funnel half way up with it attached to the radiator. Run the truck and watch for bubbles. I got a fair amount of bubbles (which smelled of exhaust gas) by lightly squeezing the upper radiator hose with it running. I noticed as the truck warmed up the bubbles stopped or nearly stopped, meaning it was sealing itself back up some as everything expanded. Best of luck to anyone dealing with this.
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Originally Posted by Drcoffee
Just bought this 07 sport 4runner and found a radiator leak the next day. So I changed the pump, radiator and spark plugs. Holy cow! It had the original spark plugs still at 222,000 miles. All gapped around 0.078”. #6 caught my eye with some residue on the ground strap. I have no symptoms, no cel, no white smoke. I hope it lasts for a while.
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My #6 plug looked like that too. I did have a head gasket issue. But correlation isn't causation ... I do believe that is coolant being burned on the plug but, I have been wrong before. Beast of luck.
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Warwicke36: Super helpful! Thank you. I have what I would say are slight symptoms.
I have filled the coolant reservoir 3 x and the radiator 1x.
There is no good reason for my truck to run through that much coolant in a month right?
I think the fact that I cannot visibly see a link anywhere leads me to the conclusion that it has to be the head gasket.
Am I missing something?
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Originally Posted by Deckard2049
Great info on this forum!
I have a 2005 with 158K on it. I am trying to figure out if I have this dreaded head gasket issue. I have had my truck in at my mechanic three times since May.
I've had the CEL with the VSC lights on for each visit. Currently the lights are not on. The truck has had the following done:
-New fuel vapor pressure control
-New plugs
-New ignition coil
-New rotors / pads & calipers
Dumped a good amount of money into this truck this summer and am really hesitate to put any more into it.
Currently I am experiencing:
-Rough start
-Intermittent AC -- AC will work for a bit, but then cut out. Seems to happen more when it is hotter. Also seems to happen more when the air circulator button is off
-Losing coolant - I've filled the reserve three times since July and the radiator once. I have found no visible coolant anywhere near the truck after it has sat.
During the second trip mechanic felt that due to the locked up calipers the truck was running super hot and losing coolant. He checked levels and reported all good. Week later - reserve tank empty!
It's had the following codes:
P0441
P0117
On the advice of a mechanic friend I have it going to a local dealership for a diagnosis. $65 for a coolant pressure test. Is there something else I should ask for?
I have some froth discharge on the oil cap, but nothing covering the cap. Occasionally I will smell exhaust - but I have not seen any white smoke.
Any and all tips are very much appreciated.
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I hate to not have better news, but the combination of a rough idle, losing coolant at that rate with your mileage on a 1GR-FE is not looking great. Is the rough idle only on a cold start, particularly if it's been sitting cold for a while?
Since you're already getting some diagnostics work done, I would get them to perform a leak down test on your cylinders too. If the HG is leaking it will most likely be at #6 or #4.
Assuming the results come back no bueno, and you're not wanting to shell out $3k+ at the moment, you can drive it for a while slightly at risk as long as you keep an eye on your coolant level and coolant temp. It doesn't take a lot for the aluminum heads to warp due to overheating.
I had symptoms of a leaking HG with an occasional rough start for over a year with regular driving on my '03. It finally failed completely, threw a misfire on cylinder 6, and my coolant temp shot up after stopping to get gas on the way home a few weeks ago. Knew I couldn't wait any longer. Money is tight right now so I ended up replacing the HGs myself for about ~$500 in parts. Not sure if that's an option for you, but it's definitely the cheapest solution.
Glad to help if you have any questions going through this process. I hope your cylinders are nice and sealed and the problem lies elsewhere, but if not, there are options out there to get the job done right for multiple budgets.
Good luck!
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Thank you to The Simple Engnr & others. Very helpful info!
Frustrating day trying to work with my local toyota dealership on this. Last week I talked to a guy there who said he would do a coolant pressure test for 65 bucks. The story changed when someone else clearly became in charge and the coolant pressure test & a possible leak down test quickly went to close to 500 bucks. 150 bucks to read the check engine light. Man!
I paid nothing and high tailed it out of there. Too bad for them as they likely lost a buying customer....
Anyway O'Riley read the code for free.
P03001 1/2 stored
Random Multiple Cylinder misfire detected
DCT severity 2 of 3
Repair imediately if drivability issues
I've to to do some more research on the code. Just curious if anyone else has seen it. The timing may be terrible, but I am walking away from this truck. I can't invest any more time or $ into it.
I was leaning GMC for most of today, but then over the last hour I swayed back to 4runner......... I am sure tomorrow I will wake up with another idea.
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Sorry to revive this old thread, but I am a new member and it wont let me make a new post. I just purchased a 2006 4runner with the 4.0 and 138k. Is this issue inevitable or is it something I really shouldnt worry much about? Reading all the head gasket posts on the 4.0 make me want to sell the truck already.
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Sorry to revive this old thread, but I am a new member and it wont let me make a new post. I just purchased a 2006 4runner with the 4.0 and 138k. Is this issue inevitable or is it something I really shouldnt worry much about? Reading all the head gasket posts on the 4.0 make me want to sell the truck already.
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Look at the drivers side door jamb, there is a tag that has the build date on it.
If your build date is 11/05 or later you have the newer style gasket and have nothing to worry about unless the truck is showing symptoms.
I attached a picture of the old vs new style gasket, you can see its a different design.
Personally from reading all these threads over the years I get the impression early HG failure is mostly due to owners not using Toyota approved SLLC or disregarding the service interval for coolant flushes.
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Originally Posted by twa318
Look at the drivers side door jamb, there is a tag that has the build date on it.
If your build date is 11/05 or later you have the newer style gasket and have nothing to worry about unless the truck is showing symptoms.
I attached a picture of the old vs new style gasket, you can see its a different design.
Personally from reading all these threads over the years I get the impression early HG failure is mostly due to owners not using Toyota approved SLLC or disregarding the service interval for coolant flushes.
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Thanks for the info. It says 1/06, so I guess it’s right past the cutoff. Besides a minor oil leak (thinking timing cover,) it’s a great running truck. No signs of bubbles from the radiator or brown snot under the oil cap. I’m praying to get another 100k out of it at least. Do you know a way to check if the coolant is good? It’s red and clear.
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Thanks for the info. It says 1/06, so I guess it’s right past the cutoff. Besides a minor oil leak (thinking timing cover,) it’s a great running truck. No signs of bubbles from the radiator or brown snot under the oil cap. I’m praying to get another 100k out of it at least. Do you know a way to check if the coolant is good? It’s red and clear.
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Don’t stress too much about it. Drive and enjoy your truck. I don’t believe there is a test to determine how old coolant is. At least I don’t know of one. If you’re worried about it, just go ahead and change it. The job is easy and it’s very inexpensive to do so.
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