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2006 4Runner Engine Shutting Off While Driving
I need some help from you wrench heads out there. My 2006 Sport V8 4Runner has developed a very aggravating issue that I can't get to the bottom of.
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This issue started on the day I completed a suspension lift and was test driving my runner, could be total coincidence or not? Didn't make any changes other than springs/struts etc. normal lift components.
Problem:
As I'm driving along the engine seems to shut off or loose total power then come back on-line. Usually it only happens for a second or two, but has killed the engine if running at a low RPM. It's not throwing a code that can be read and when I drive it around reading it with a diagnostic tool on my laptop it sees nothing strange other than the RPM dropping off. On the instrument cluster during the power loss I get a very fast "AT/Oil Temp" flash, then the "Check Engine" light, then the thing goes back to running correctly and they are gone until it does it again. It does not seem to be engine speed related, it happens at high or low RPMs. It does although seem to be worse when accelerating hard.
What I have done to diagnose so far:
1. Thought it was acting fuel related so I put a pressure gauge on the fuel rail, it reads a constant 42psi even when the engine is shutting down and having the issue.
2. Seemed to be acting like it may have water in the tank, I have now ran two tanks of fuel through it treating each one with STP fuel conditioner. It says it will help with water, but who knows at this point.
3. I read somewhere that a faulty key switch can act like this, so I connected a multimeter to the key switch to monitor the voltage. Never saw a major blink. It stayed within the 14v range the whole time and was tested on the acc1 and acc2 outputs.
4. Spoke with a Toyota mechanic and he thought that I could have pinched a line in the fuel or evap systems, but I can't find anything damaged or pinched.
The "AT/Oil Temp" light flash throws me, is there a safety mechanism that shuts the truck down if the fluid is too hot? There is no indication of a AT leak or issue, it still shifts OK, or at least as good as it ever did.
Any ideas what to look at next?
Thanks for any help,
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05-21-2015, 06:51 PM
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If you hadn't checked the fuel rail I'd think it was a fuel pump for sure. A fuel filter could do that too.
You don't happen to have an aftermarket alarm with a starter bypass/disable by chance? Do you have another key you can try?
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05-21-2015, 06:54 PM
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That's weird. At high engine speeds, as long as the transmission is in gear, it should be able to drive the engine even without fuel. Most modern cars will cut fuel to the engine when you are costing. Not sure if 4runners do that. Using the throttle cancels fuel cutoff, obviously.
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Fuel relay?
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Originally Posted by bamma
If you hadn't checked the fuel rail I'd think it was a fuel pump for sure. A fuel filter could do that too.
You don't happen to have an aftermarket alarm with a starter bypass/disable by chance? Do you have another key you can try?
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Good point, totally forgot to include that information. I do have a remote starter and thought that could be the problem. Took it back to the installer to see if there was any possibility that unit could be failing and act this way. They told me there were no wires cut to install that system, but only tapped in and he highly doubted it could be the problem. They showed me where to test from the key switch to see if the voltage was dropping. One question I do have about this is why it requires a key emulator? I had to buy that extra at the time to make the system work. Does they key on a 2006 have a chip or RFID tag built in that could cause an intermittant problem like this? It does have the flashing key on they dash that goes off when you put the key in. I just don't know much about that system... Thanks for the response.
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05-21-2015, 07:28 PM
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Fuel relay?
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Wouldn't the pressure drop when the relay kicked out?
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05-21-2015, 07:37 PM
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This seems more electrical rather than fuel. Not saying it cannot be a fuel problem, but something so intermittent probably wouldn't starting flashing dash lights. I didn't see you say anywhere if there were any stored codes...
Check all your battery cables and ground wire connections too.
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Originally Posted by chitown40
This seems more electrical rather than fuel. Not saying it cannot be a fuel problem, but something so intermittent probably wouldn't starting flashing dash lights. I didn't see you say anywhere if there were any stored codes...
Check all your battery cables and ground wire connections too.
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It's not storing any codes, wish it would. :-)
Checked the battery cables and what grounds I could find.
When using my monitoring tool one of the monitor point is ECU and ODBII PORT voltage, nothing strange showing up on either. I'm assuming there would be some weirdness if it were loosing ground or positive connection.
Anyone know where and if the runner has a BCU?
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Possibly ignition coil or spark plug wires
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I believe it does have at least one BC near the driver lower left dash and kick panel.
No plug wires but possibly a coil pack.
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Originally Posted by Mikasa67
Good point, totally forgot to include that information. I do have a remote starter and thought that could be the problem. Took it back to the installer to see if there was any possibility that unit could be failing and act this way. They told me there were no wires cut to install that system, but only tapped in and he highly doubted it could be the problem. They showed me where to test from the key switch to see if the voltage was dropping. One question I do have about this is why it requires a key emulator? I had to buy that extra at the time to make the system work. Does they key on a 2006 have a chip or RFID tag built in that could cause an intermittant problem like this? It does have the flashing key on they dash that goes off when you put the key in. I just don't know much about that system... Thanks for the response.
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the car requires a key to start, so to remote start without a key requires emulation. If it is faulty or has a loose connection internally, it definitely could cause your symptoms. Unplug the remote starter and see if the problem goes away. If not that, replace the fuel filter. I saw a t4r with a similar issue in the past and the filter was clogged.
Edit: fyi-the fuel filter is in the tank. It is replacable without replacing the pump but you have to drop the tank. Kind of a PITA. Good luck.
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Bcu?
For the sake of my edification (any anyone else who might like the same)... What's a BCU??
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For the sake of my edification (any anyone else who might like the same)... What's a BCU??
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BCU = Body Control Unit, it's the computer that controls systems like the heat/ac, lights or pretty much everything else electronic excluding the engine systems.
ECU = Engine Control Unit, computer that controls all engine functions.
Many modern vehicles have other computers dedicated to doing specific tasks, or at least that's my understanding of it.. I'm not a professional mechanic, so maybe someone can school us better on this?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bamma
the car requires a key to start, so to remote start without a key requires emulation. If it is faulty or has a loose connection internally, it definitely could cause your symptoms. Unplug the remote starter and see if the problem goes away. If not that, replace the fuel filter. I saw a t4r with a similar issue in the past and the filter was clogged.
Edit: fyi-the fuel filter is in the tank. It is replacable without replacing the pump but you have to drop the tank. Kind of a PITA. Good luck.
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Everything about this screams fueling issue and I have a replacement screen to go in the tank, just have not had the time to drop and replace it. I'm at about 116K miles, so it's time to do it anyway.
The two factors for fueling is 1) pressure 2) volume. If there was a filter issue, wouldn't it restrict the the flow rate or volume of fuel available to the rail? When the injectors release the fuel into the intake and the pump does not have enough volume to keep the rail full and pressurized, wouldn't it show up as a drop in pressure in the rail? I'm not seeing that, it holds 42psi consistently.. I hope that logic is true. This thing is making my head hurt!
I will unplug the remote starter, this will tell me for sure if the information I was given about it not looping through the module is correct.
Thanks for the info.
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