03-30-2016, 09:52 AM
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4th Gen T4R Walking/swaying at high speeds?
I have an 2007 SR5 with 95,000 miles, I put on a Daystar 2.5/1.5 leveling kit on it about a year ago. I had it aligned after I installed it.
Ever since I had that installed I noticed the steering wheel was a lot less responsive, basically it seemed to be loser is how my wife describes it. That I am not too worried about as I figure it is because of the added clearance from the lift.
The other thing I noticed was at high speeds around 65-80mph it can tend to walk/sway on me, it is more prevalent on rough/uneven roads. It happens randomly and usually will correct itself if I keep the wheel from moving. When my wife is driving she will try to correct it and it can cause it to walk more after being corrected.
I am wondering what ideas you might have as to a remedy I am looking to put some FJ TRD rims w/ Ko2's on it soon. I am not sure if this will help give is some stability or not. A buddy of mine who used to be a mechanic said I may need new shocks. I thought I would gather some more opinions. I appreciate any insight if you have it.
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03-30-2016, 10:13 AM
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I have that same problem even with no lift. I'm planning on swapping to fj coils I got from CHawks_12. I got an alignment about 4k mikes ago and I know it's aligned.
What causes this? I cannot figure this out.
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03-30-2016, 10:36 AM
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I can't be of any assistance as I too am noticing that my 4R doesn't feel as planted and responsive as it used to. Believe our 4th Gen's are hitting high mileage points & suspension/steering parts are becoming worn, noticeably so at that. There is a thread currently going on about sway bar bushing upgrades, which I need to really look through.
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03-30-2016, 10:49 AM
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@ T-Bruff
Because you said since you installed your lift, it may be that you are low on Caster. Lower caster settings will cause the darting feeling at higher speeds.
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03-30-2016, 11:16 AM
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@ T-Bruff
Because you said since you installed your lift, it may be that you are low on Caster. Lower caster settings will cause the darting feeling at higher speeds.
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^this^
Post up your alignment spec sheet
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03-30-2016, 11:37 AM
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i can pretty much guarantee you the issue is from your caster angle being to low. you need to have it between 3-4 degrees (i prefer 3.5-4). Hopefully the tech was just lazy and didnt adjust it. The other option to correct it if there is no adjustment left in the LCA is to get a set of aftermarket UCAs.
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03-30-2016, 02:38 PM
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i can pretty much guarantee you the issue is from your caster angle being to low. you need to have it between 3-4 degrees (i prefer 3.5-4). Hopefully the tech was just lazy and didnt adjust it. The other option to correct it if there is no adjustment left in the LCA is to get a set of aftermarket UCAs.
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Here is what was done alignment wise after the lift. What changes do I need to make?
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03-30-2016, 02:53 PM
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Here is what was done alignment wise after the lift. What changes do I need to make?
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Your Caster is WAY LOW. Mine weren't even that low with a 4" coil lift with stock UCAs.
Here are my numbers: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/2310990-post4.html
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03-30-2016, 03:01 PM
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Every truck differs when lifted. Even when I "only" had the Daystar lift I had wandering/skittish steering feel; others never would need it. You'll need to eventually get yourself some UCA's to add more caster to the geometry to make it feel more stable at highway speeds.
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03-30-2016, 03:08 PM
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So should I have it realligned and see if I can get the caster up? Will I be able to get close to 3.5-4 with stock UCA?
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03-30-2016, 03:10 PM
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Every truck differs when lifted. Even when I "only" had the Daystar lift I had wandering/skittish steering feel; others never would need it. You'll need to eventually get yourself some UCA's to add more caster to the geometry to make it feel more stable at highway speeds.
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any suggestions UCA wise? I havent ever looked into that at all.
Thanks for the feed back BTW
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any suggestions UCA wise? I havent ever looked into that at all.
Thanks for the feed back BTW
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Everyone will give you a different opinion. I have the SPC / Light Racing UCA's and haven't been very satisfied with them. Quite a few alignment shops will also get funky about them as well with all the extra adjust-ability they add in to the system. If I had to do it over again I'd go the uniball route that Camburg or Total Chaos offer; if the very least I'd do the Camburg's with the Moog ball joints.
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So should I have it realligned and see if I can get the caster up? Will I be able to get close to 3.5-4 with stock UCA?
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From the looks of your sheet your other numbers look good so I don't think there is much room for them to try and gain Caster without throwing off your Camber. Do you only have a spacer in the front or did you change coils as well. There are a few us us, myself included running uniball UCAs purchased from eBay with good success.
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From the looks of your sheet your other numbers look good so I don't think there is much room for them to try and gain Caster without throwing off your Camber. Do you only have a spacer in the front or did you change coils as well. There are a few us us, myself included running uniball UCAs purchased from eBay with good success.
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I did 1.5 in front and 2.5 rear.
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Originally Posted by morphious
From the looks of your sheet your other numbers look good so I don't think there is much room for them to try and gain Caster without throwing off your Camber. Do you only have a spacer in the front or did you change coils as well. There are a few us us, myself included running uniball UCAs purchased from eBay with good success.
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Did you need to do any modification of the eBay arms? I thought I heard there was some fitment issues.
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