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Old 08-01-2016, 09:16 AM #16
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Just another update... Replaced both of the intake manifold gaskets and the problem/code is still there. I know it needed to be done, but still on the hunt for whatever if causing the issue.
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I am sorry I can't be of help, but I want to follow this thread. I also have a strong exhaust smell and occasional rough idle. No codes yet.

Thanks for doing all this leg work.
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No worries, just wish i could figure out what the source is.. i'll find it eventually ... going to try something i should have tried a while ago, swapping the front A/F Sensors to see if the code changes banks.. long shot but worth a shot i guess to see if i have a faulty sensor...
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No worries, just wish i could figure out what the source is.. i'll find it eventually ... going to try something i should have tried a while ago, swapping the front A/F Sensors to see if the code changes banks.. long shot but worth a shot i guess to see if i have a faulty sensor...
I think that's a good test. Your pictures were impressive reflecting the difference in banks. Hope you solve it soon. When you do get it please post your findings. I know how frustrating this is.
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Just another update. I finally got the chance to swap the A/F sensors... low and behold the problem moved to Bank 1. So it looks as though i have a faulty A/F sensor, although I replaced less than a year ago. The Short Term Fuel Trim changed to a very high number on bank 1 vs. bank 2 that it had always been on during my monitoring. I have a bad feeling its not the complete problem, or may have been caused by the deeper problem, but for now, i'm going to swap out that A/F sensor and see if that clears up the issues. I will report back tomorrow!
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Just another update. I finally got the chance to swap the A/F sensors... low and behold the problem moved to Bank 1. So it looks as though i have a faulty A/F sensor, although I replaced less than a year ago. The Short Term Fuel Trim changed to a very high number on bank 1 vs. bank 2 that it had always been on during my monitoring. I have a bad feeling its not the complete problem, or may have been caused by the deeper problem, but for now, i'm going to swap out that A/F sensor and see if that clears up the issues. I will report back tomorrow!
To be clear (in my mind anyway), you swapped the upstream A/F sensors as opposed to the downstream O2 sensors, correct?
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Yes, the front A/F sensors (upstream) are the ones that i swapped. And after swapping them, the problem moved to the other side (from Bank 2 to Bank 1) i now am getting a P0171 instead of the P0174 as before. The Short Term Fuel Trim issue also moved sides when i moved the sensor over. So that definitely showed me where the issue was.

I took the sensor and it was still under warranty to the local advance auto parts and they swapped it out. I installed the new sensor and all has been well for 2 days now.

If you are experiencing a similar issue, i wouldn't immediately jump to a bad A/F sensor (especially since i replaced mine less than a year ago and it apparently failed in that amount of time) but it wouldn't hurt to swap them and see if your issue changes sides. I would definitely still try and look for any vacuum leaks, etc. as well... I would highly recommend to buy the android app Torque Pro and a OBDII scanner that talks to it. That was a very nice tool to have during this process. I would have still been able to find the issue eventually i think because i had a normal scanner that would show me the codes, but actually seeing the short term fuel trim issues move sides as well was an extra check toward it being the A/F sensor.

I'm still not 100% sure that its the root of all the problems, there may be something else underlying that's causing the sensor to go bad? but only time will tell now that i have a new one installed.

Hope that some of my info has helped! And good luck with tracking yours down!

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BoostinZX , i have the same identical problem as you with the P0174 code and the list of symptom that you have. In addition, i also have code P0430 but it might go away once i fix the P0174 (i hope). I had this for a few months now and I just ignored it for a while. I have a 2004 V6 1GR-FE engine. This one stated as system too lean.

Anyway, what AF sensor (and part #) should i replace? Is this the one on the driver side or passenger side? I found a couple on Amazon's site but i don't know which one to buy.

Does anyone have a PDF on where these sensors are located?

Downstream Right
https://www.amazon.com/Denso-234-480...ct_top?ie=UTF8

Downstream Left
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0013TQRLI...I2LTY40FY39XFH

A more expensive one is also listed.
https://www.amazon.com/Denso-234-905...nner+o2+sensor

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I'm hoping someone here can shine some light on some issues my wife's '05 V8 T4R is experiencing.

About 8 months ago, it started throwing codes and smelling very strong through the exhaust. (I can't remember what the codes were now, but pretty sure it was P0171 and P0173 possibly) but it led me to changing the upstream O2 sensors, gas tank cap, as well as the MAF sensor.. The gas tank cap didn't change anything, MAF didn't seem to help, but once i changed the upstream o2 sensors, it seemed to help. We drove it for a while like this and the exhaust smell was not nearly as strong. Then about 3 months ago when we got the vacuum cleaner sound under the hood during cold startup (secondary air injection system failure). I purchased the bypass kit (without plates) from slyfox here on the forum and installed it, and it bypassed the system. I was getting error codes that said stuck closed, so thought i was in the clear. Car seemed to run great until the past 2 weeks. Now we have the following.

P0174 Code (keeps coming back after resetting it)
Rough Idle (like an intermittent miss). Especially bad when in gear at a stoplight
Hesitation when you accelerate with slight throttle
Very strong gas/un-burnt fuel like odor from the exhaust, not rotten egg smell.
The car runs perfect (or seems to when under full throttle). Also seems to run fine or much better until the car gets up to temperature.

I checked for vacuum leaks by spraying carb cleaner around all the vacuum lines i could find, cleaned throttle body, ran fuel system cleaner through it a few times, checked the spark plugs (they look normal), switched to 100% premium gas and nothing has helped.

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I have also added the secondary air injection bypass plates to try and see if they may have been slightly stuck "open" and thought that would 100% isolate it being that system from being the culprit, and the issue still remains. After installing the plates, we drove the car for about 5 miles and it ran perfectly, then right as we got home it started doing it again.

EDIT 7/21/16:
I rented a fuel pressure tester today. Car holds a steady 42psi of fuel pressure, even when the engine starts running rough after it warms up and throws the p0174 code. I let it idle and ran it up and down to 2500rpms a few times and no change... so Fuel Pressure looks good.. It also held good pressure for up to 10-15 minutes after I turned the car off. It only ever dropped down to 40psi... So I guess I can rule out the fuel pump and pressure regulator/etc..

Any ideas? I have read through a bunch of threads and some think it could be injector or fuel pump related. Has anyone had a similar issue or any suggestion on where to look next? Any help is greatly appreciated!

EDIT 8/11/16:
I figured out the problem. It was a faulty Upstream A/F Sensor that I had replaced a year ago. I swapped the sensors from side to side and the problem swapped sides. Replaced the sensor and all is good now. Hope this thread helps someone else out!

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I am bringing this thread back from the dead... I had another one of the front Air/Fuel sensors fail on me again... causing a similar, but different condition... I'm not 100% sure that the problem is fixed at this point, but it seems to be intermittent or fixed.

I am now getting a P0172 & P0175, and the truck is running very rich smelling out the exhaust... Looking at the Torque Pro app, its pulling up to -40% on both banks trying to compensate... Not sure what is causing the issue on both banks, but I have cleaned the MAF (even though i replaced back when i was having these other issues) and checked for Vacuum leaks again.

I went ahead and bit the bullet and replaced both front Air/Fuel sensors... and the problem went away for 2 days... Then it sort of came back and ran like crap for a day... and now its been running great for the past 4 days...

Just wanted to update this thread to see if anyone else has had these types of issues, and if so, what was your final fix? I feel like the Air/Fuel sensors may only be "patching" the true problem at this point...
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BoostinZX, i am glad you are reviving this thread as i have the similar issue still at this time. How many miles do you have on your truck? Mine was the occasion alternating P0174 and P0430 code and my current fix is to use my code reader to reset it. (had replaced one of the O2 sensors too and did nothing). It would usually go away for a tank or two before it comes back. The car sometimes would idle a bit rough (hovering around 600-700rpm) when cold in a stop light. it never stalls.

Let me know if you have fixed your issue by replacing the two AF sensors. I know one of the sensors cost 3x as much as the O2 sensor.

I have around 187,000 miles on the odometer now. Other than that, car runs fine. I used it for a 3 hour trip recently and the MPG is holding steady at around 18-19.5MPG.
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PTPT2002, my 4Runner currently has 173k on it. Mine is also a V8, so not sure that makes a difference with the issues or possible fixes. So far, the codes have not come back or the roughness that I experienced out of the blue after I swapped the 2 front Air/Fuel sensors again. I think it may have remedied the problem, or at least masked it for now again. I will keep you posted, but if anyone else would like to chime in, the more the merrier

Also, if you have an android tablet or phone, and can spend the $, its a great investment to get a bluetooth OBDII scanner and the Torque Pro app from the android market. It is how I noticed that my fuel trims were way off when I was originally having issues and helped me troubleshoot from there. I would see if one bank is reading +-20% or more and that would be the first Air/Fuel sensor that I would swap instead of replacing both at the same time, unless you just feel like doing them both at the same time.
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I think your injectors are getting stuck open at high rpm's. When they get older the internals can't keep up with the solenoids so they float and just dump fuel. That may also be causing your o2 sensors to go bad as well.


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Raygenjay do you know of any way to test this at home? Or would this be something I could request to be checked at a dealer? I borrowed a fancy scanner from a friend, but all the digging around I did, I couldn't find anything for injector duty or anything like that. I could increase/decrease the percentage that the injector was flowing, but the ECU would just compensate.

The car runs great at WOT. And has been running great since last Tuesday, but your theory has me intrigued

If there is no way to "test" easily while running. Maybe I can pull them all and have them flow tested to see if they are functional. Then that would hopefully determine if one is stuck correct?


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Flow testing would work best. I know the factory scan tool could check the injectors. You could remove the injectors and visually inspect them.


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Have you tried replacing the maf? That could affect both sets of cylinders at once and combined with a bad o2 Sensor could explain some of your issues. Injectors can be sent out for a sonic cleaning, there are several companies that do this, also my truck previous owner had an injector cleaning service preformed at the dealer several times prior to my buying it ( listed on receipts) not sure what this entails but it might be worth your looking into.
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