08-04-2016, 12:04 AM
|
#1
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 273
|
|
|
Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 273
|
Just lifted, cam bolts are seized, can't adjust caster/camber
Hey all,
Just lifted my vehicle with OME885s in the front, and FJ coils + a Daystar in the back. Anyways, took it in for an alignment and the LCA cam bolts are seized, all four of em (both bolts, both sides). No surprise there, really, considering how difficult it was to install the suspension.
Anyways, here's the numbers I got:
So the camber isn't bad, it's liveable, but the the caster is off by about 1.5°. Reading, it seems like replacing the seized bolts are a pain, albeit doable.
Can I just replace the UCAs and achieve the right numbers that way? They have adjustment past the numbers I need, but is it the same thing?
Let me know! Thanks!
__________________
2003 4Runner Limited 4x4 V8, Volant CAI w/ LC100 snorkel, modified C4Fab hybrid bumper with wings, Superwinch Tiger 9500, RSG Angled Sliders, 5100s/885/RCC2.0, TRD Wheels, Duratrac 285s, 1.25" Spacers, RIGd Ultraswing
|
|
 Reply With Quote
|
|
08-04-2016, 01:58 AM
|
#2
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Lower Alabama
Posts: 222
Real Name: Greg
|
|
|
Member
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Lower Alabama
Posts: 222
Real Name: Greg
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by wtcnbrwndo4u
Hey all,
Just lifted my vehicle with OME885s in the front, and FJ coils + a Daystar in the back. Anyways, took it in for an alignment and the LCA cam bolts are seized, all four of em (both bolts, both sides). No surprise there, really, considering how difficult it was to install the suspension.
Anyways, here's the numbers I got:
So the camber isn't bad, it's liveable, but the the caster is off by about 1.5°. Reading, it seems like replacing the seized bolts are a pain, albeit doable.
Can I just replace the UCAs and achieve the right numbers that way? They have adjustment past the numbers I need, but is it the same thing?
Let me know! Thanks! |
I hate to be "that guy", but you need to replace the LCA bushings or the entire arm on both sides. You will also need to replace all of the alignment components too. EXACT same thing happened to me. Not really a way around replacing things in this situation. It is a very common issue with our trucks. Think of your tires.
Also, it's not incredibly expensive if you do bushings and alignment gear. This is assuming you do the work yourself.
__________________
 2003 T4R V8 4wd: Daystar lift- 285/75r16 MTs on 2002 Tacoma wheels; 4.5'' backspacing. Weathertech mats, lost the roof rack (plenty of future plans) build: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-ge...on-thread.html
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
08-04-2016, 02:09 AM
|
#3
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Portland Oregon and Slow Gin Fizz
Posts: 96
|
|
|
Member
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Portland Oregon and Slow Gin Fizz
Posts: 96
|
The UCA wont fix your camber issue, just the caster issue.
You'll need both UCA's and Lower control arm bolts.
If its time to replace the bushings on the lower control arms, its faily easy to cut out the LCA and replace the whole control arm and add new bolts.
It also seems that your better off buying Toyota LCA over after market.
Lower Control Arm Replacements?
I pulled some out of a junk yard from a low mile 4runner and slapped them in last weekend. Started at 9am and was done by noon. Buy good sawzall blades.
You could also buy some new poly bushings and replace the bushing as well and buy new spc cam bolts (moog ones are junk).
Best of luck!
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
08-04-2016, 07:59 AM
|
#4
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: OH
Posts: 388
|
|
|
Member
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: OH
Posts: 388
|
When I first lifted mine and went to get an alignment, the shop said they had all kinds of trouble with one side being frozen.
The bushings are definitely shot, so I've been eyeing some LCAs with ball joints and bushings from RockAuto. Price seems reasonable for what you get. I'll probably go with the OEM alignment cam bolt set as well.
More Information for BECK/ARNLEY 1026427
More Information for BECK/ARNLEY 1026426
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
08-04-2016, 08:53 AM
|
#5
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 273
|
|
|
Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 273
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by gtb129
I hate to be "that guy", but you need to replace the LCA bushings or the entire arm on both sides. You will also need to replace all of the alignment components too. EXACT same thing happened to me. Not really a way around replacing things in this situation. It is a very common issue with our trucks. Think of your tires.
Also, it's not incredibly expensive if you do bushings and alignment gear. This is assuming you do the work yourself.
|
Man, I figured that was the case. Okay, so then, just to be sure, I need to have 4 of all these components, right?
I'm supposed to be going on a 3 week road trip in this guy in 3 weeks... is it wise to drive that much on this adjustment. The toe is even, which mostly affects the tread. I'm not entirely sure I'd be able to get to it in the next 3 weeks :/.
__________________
2003 4Runner Limited 4x4 V8, Volant CAI w/ LC100 snorkel, modified C4Fab hybrid bumper with wings, Superwinch Tiger 9500, RSG Angled Sliders, 5100s/885/RCC2.0, TRD Wheels, Duratrac 285s, 1.25" Spacers, RIGd Ultraswing
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
08-04-2016, 10:06 AM
|
#6
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Portland Oregon and Slow Gin Fizz
Posts: 96
|
|
|
Member
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Portland Oregon and Slow Gin Fizz
Posts: 96
|
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
08-04-2016, 10:15 AM
|
#7
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 273
|
|
|
Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 273
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by collierunner
|
A lot of people in those threads seem to live by the OEM bolts/bushings. The SPC ones should be fine though, in theory.
Okay, so if we go with those, two of those, and replacement arms (with new bushings + joint), what else would I need?
__________________
2003 4Runner Limited 4x4 V8, Volant CAI w/ LC100 snorkel, modified C4Fab hybrid bumper with wings, Superwinch Tiger 9500, RSG Angled Sliders, 5100s/885/RCC2.0, TRD Wheels, Duratrac 285s, 1.25" Spacers, RIGd Ultraswing
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
08-04-2016, 12:04 PM
|
#8
|
 |
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: SLC, UT
Posts: 1,011
|
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: SLC, UT
Posts: 1,011
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by wtcnbrwndo4u
A lot of people in those threads seem to live by the OEM bolts/bushings. The SPC ones should be fine though, in theory.
Okay, so if we go with those, two of those, and replacement arms (with new bushings + joint), what else would I need?
|
How much experience do you have wrenching? Replacing the UCA and LCA bushings is not an easy job. It is hard and a PITA. In fact, the dealers I've talked with won't do it they will only replace the entire control arm which is a lot more expensive. Once you get new bushings in, the truck will ride sooo much better.
I used Energy Suspension in my 3rd gen and no problems.
__________________
2015 T4R TRD Pro in super white, Morimoto 4300K HID kit, Auer Engineering / Toyota LED DRL/Fogs 2-in-1's, TRD drop in air filter, WeatherTech front and back liners.
2002 T4R SR5 4WD Onyx Black Sport Edition w/Leather. Gone but not forgotten.
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
08-04-2016, 12:45 PM
|
#10
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 273
|
|
|
Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 273
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by stir_fry_boy
How much experience do you have wrenching? Replacing the UCA and LCA bushings is not an easy job. It is hard and a PITA. In fact, the dealers I've talked with won't do it they will only replace the entire control arm which is a lot more expensive. Once you get new bushings in, the truck will ride sooo much better.
I used Energy Suspension in my 3rd gen and no problems.
|
I'd have help replacing it with two of my car buddies. Anyways, I'm talking about replacing the entire control arm anyways. I'd like to skip replacing the bushings individually because I know it's a giant PITA.
Really, I need a somewhat "temp" fix so I can get on the road with this thing in the next three weeks. What I will likely do is get new cheaper LCAs, maintain my OEM LCAs so I can later swap out the bushings/joint, and then when the cheapo ones start ****ing up, I can put the rehabbed OEM back in.
__________________
2003 4Runner Limited 4x4 V8, Volant CAI w/ LC100 snorkel, modified C4Fab hybrid bumper with wings, Superwinch Tiger 9500, RSG Angled Sliders, 5100s/885/RCC2.0, TRD Wheels, Duratrac 285s, 1.25" Spacers, RIGd Ultraswing
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
08-04-2016, 12:45 PM
|
#11
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 273
|
|
|
Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 273
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunner97
|
How many miles do you have on these things? Do you do any off-roading/bumpy stuff? Or mostly pavement?
__________________
2003 4Runner Limited 4x4 V8, Volant CAI w/ LC100 snorkel, modified C4Fab hybrid bumper with wings, Superwinch Tiger 9500, RSG Angled Sliders, 5100s/885/RCC2.0, TRD Wheels, Duratrac 285s, 1.25" Spacers, RIGd Ultraswing
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
08-04-2016, 12:53 PM
|
#12
|
 |
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Anaheim
Age: 45
Posts: 3,405
Real Name: Danny
|
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Anaheim
Age: 45
Posts: 3,405
Real Name: Danny
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by wtcnbrwndo4u
How many miles do you have on these things? Do you do any off-roading/bumpy stuff? Or mostly pavement?
|
Less than 1000, but I was just off road last weekend doing a bunch of fast fire road as well as black diamond stuff, probably close to 60-80 miles in dirt.
@ t-man
has had them awhile though I believe.
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
08-04-2016, 12:56 PM
|
#13
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 273
|
|
|
Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 273
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunner97
Less than 1000, but I was just off road last weekend doing a bunch of fast fire road as well as black diamond stuff, probably close to 60-80 miles in dirt.
@ t-man
has had them awhile though I believe. |
Interesting. I'm thinking maybe get something cheapo like these, and then if they **** up on the trip (I'm driving about 5-6K miles!), I can just swap them back out with rehabbed OEM LCAs later.
So say I just got the LCAs rather than all the rods and stuff. I need the nut, washer, bolt, and adjustment plate? Or are those plates included on the LCA?
Thanks ahead of time everyone for helping on this, I'm fairly new when it comes to suspension.
__________________
2003 4Runner Limited 4x4 V8, Volant CAI w/ LC100 snorkel, modified C4Fab hybrid bumper with wings, Superwinch Tiger 9500, RSG Angled Sliders, 5100s/885/RCC2.0, TRD Wheels, Duratrac 285s, 1.25" Spacers, RIGd Ultraswing
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
08-04-2016, 12:59 PM
|
#14
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Anaheim
Age: 45
Posts: 3,405
Real Name: Danny
|
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Anaheim
Age: 45
Posts: 3,405
Real Name: Danny
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by wtcnbrwndo4u
Interesting. I'm thinking maybe get something cheapo like these, and then if they **** up on the trip (I'm driving about 5-6K miles!), I can just swap them back out with rehabbed OEM LCAs later.
So say I just got the LCAs rather than all the rods and stuff. I need the nut, washer, bolt, and adjustment plate? Or are those plates included on the LCA?
Thanks ahead of time everyone for helping on this, I'm fairly new when it comes to suspension.
|
That eBay kit comes with everything regardless. I haven't swapped my tie rod ends yet, but it's nice to have as back ups as needed. Doesn't come with the bolts or adjustment plates, you'll still need to source those from somewhere. Mine weren't seized so I just reused them. They were a tad rusty on the inside and in hindsight I probably should have throw some grease in there.
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
08-04-2016, 01:00 PM
|
#15
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 273
|
|
|
Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 273
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunner97
That eBay kit comes with everything regardless. I haven't swapped my tie rod ends yet, but it's nice to have as back ups as needed. Doesn't come with the bolts or adjustment plates, you'll still need to source those from somewhere. Mine weren't seized so I just reused them. They were a tad rusty on the inside and in hindsight I probably should have throw some grease in there.
|
Gotcha, okay. I'm just trying to save as much as possible, so I don't want to buy more than I need, ya know? At the same time, it would be nice to have these in case for later. I'm pretty sure my plates are ****ed, so I'd need new ones. I'll have to check.
I'm wary on eBay parts, but I mean, stamped steel is stamped steel. It's hard to **** that up.
__________________
2003 4Runner Limited 4x4 V8, Volant CAI w/ LC100 snorkel, modified C4Fab hybrid bumper with wings, Superwinch Tiger 9500, RSG Angled Sliders, 5100s/885/RCC2.0, TRD Wheels, Duratrac 285s, 1.25" Spacers, RIGd Ultraswing
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is On
|
|
|
|
Linear Mode
