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Has anyone tried out the new Alu-Cab RTT?

I have tried searching for 4runners that use this roof top tent, but haven't found anyone yet that has. I think it just made its way to the US not long ago. Anyways, Ive been researching RTT's and this one seems to be a good low profile design. If you have experience with this tent, please share, or let me know what you think about it.

I'm wondering if it is too large for the 4runner roof, and will hang off the sides and front too much?





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I actually began doing a serious search on this product yesterday. Seems amazing. Had a long conversation with Chuck at OK4WD in NJ, he was incredibly informative. I've been wanting a roof top tent for a while that would be easy to set up and take down. Initially, I liked the Autohome, but then moved toward the James Baroud due to repeated complaints about pinching fabric on the Autohome. The Baroud also has a few nifty features that I preferred, integrated fan for example. But then I discovered the Alu-Cab and having done some research and my long chat with Chuck yesterday, I'm pretty sure that I'll be picking one up in the near future (i.e. when I convince my wife it's worth $5500 -- obviously I need to get the shadow awning as well, but more about that later).

The Alu-Cab is basically bomb-proof, about 4" lower in height when closed, but just as tall inside compared to other clam shell RTT's, and has a useable rack system on top that none of the others have. The Barouds offer the option of a bit of storage on some models, but for only up to 55lbs, whereas the Alu-Cab can handle up to 225lbs. All three, Autohome, Baroud, and Alu-Cab cost roughly the same for just the tent ~$4000. And now, Autohome also has a few that open with struts, so that is no longer a unique feature of just the Barouds. So all three open with basically the same technology.

Based on scores of reviews, critiques, and conversations, I am of the opinion that they all have their benefits. However, given my preference for the most durable, use of a rack on the RTT, and a slightly lower profile when closed -- the Alu-Cab seems like the ideal choice. And although it might seem contradictory that I would want a lower profile while also use of the rack on top -- I want the option of trying to to squeeze into parking structures with the RTT mounted, but nothing on the rack above, as such my search for the lowest profile.

The Shadow Awning is also just plain awesome. I have the ARB awning and it's fine I suppose, but really quite a pain to put up by myself. The Shadow Awning is super simple to fan out and strong enough to allow for pull ups off the supports (see the videos on youtube). It also connects directly to the Alu-Cab tent, not the rack -- this is possible because of the aluminum shell of the tent.

I will update again when I have this system in my possession. Still researching compatibility with my Gobi Stealth rack. Any other feedback from others who have of these RTT's or the awning in helping me guide my decision would be most appreciated.
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I'm wondering if it is too large for the 4runner roof, and will hang off the sides and front too much?
I asked about the overhang -- apparently not at all front to back and only slightly over the sides.
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Super anxious to see your setup alirawk, come back to post pics once you have it up.

Thanks for all this info. If I get this set up I'm selling my house and living out of this haha
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Just got mine. Finished mounting a little while ago. I LOVE it.
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Just got mine. Finished mounting a little while ago. I LOVE it.
If you've never run an RTT before spending $5,000...I'd ask yourself is it worth spending that much for a roof top tent. Yes, those hard tops are nice...but thats a lot of cash to be dropping. I bought a used Tepui on CL for $800 and likely wouldn't spend a dime more then that. Just think, you could suffice the same problem with a $100 ground tent and be on your way with $4900 in your pocket for beer.

If I were to spend the money, I'd also consider the iKamper hard shell tent for $2900. More usable space.

To answer your question, the width of a 4runner runs 48". The alu-cap runs 55 inchs in width...so thats about 4 inches overhang on each side.

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If you've never run an RTT before spending $5,000...I'd ask yourself is it worth spending that much for a roof top tent. Yes, those hard tops are nice...but thats a lot of cash to be dropping. I bought a used Tepui on CL for $800 and likely wouldn't spend a dime more then that. Just think, you could suffice the same problem with a $100 ground tent and be on your way with $4900 in your pocket for beer.

If I were to spend the money, I'd also consider the iKamper hard shell tent for $2900. More usable space.

To answer your question, the width of a 4runner runs 48". The alu-cap runs 55 inchs in width...so thats about 4 inches overhang on each side.

Alu-Cab Africa - Expedition Tent

A few clarifications:

Alu-cab actually $4000, not 5000. Still expensive, but not as bad as all that.

The Alu-cab does NOT overhang on each side by 4inches. At least not on the 5th generation. See pic below. But I suppose this is mildly debatable as well. Is it wider than the roof rack rails, obviously -- but this is true of every single RTT out there. Does it protrude beyond the very edge of the roof, barely (definitely not even an inch). Is it wider than the body -- not remotely.

I looked at the iKamper, and it's definitely a well made product, but the soonest you could possibly get one is sometime in the fall -- and if I've learned anything about lead times for hot products, it's more likely winter of 2018. Time is of the essence for me. I simply don't trust manufacturers promised lead times any more. Furthermore, the alu-cab actually offers a taller head room than pretty much all other hard shell RTT's and by about 14" compared to iKamper, which is something I wanted to make changing clothes, and frankly peeing in a bottle in the middle of the night easier. (Forgive the vulgarity, but it really is a factor -- the last thing I want to do in the middle of freezing night is mess with a ladder.)

Ultimately it's really about style and preference. The difference is both degree and kind. Finding a hardshell tent under 3k is a serious challenge. And alu-cab really is the only field tested non-fiberglass shell you can get can. The thing is bomber.

By style, I really mean lifestyle. What it is you're doing in it and how it satisfies desire. I climb rocks and thus out in remote terrain about half of the year. I get up really early and come back in the dark. I want something that is going to be stupidly easy to set up, especially in suddenly adverse conditions (50+ mph winds/torrential downpours). Although soft-shell tents may only take 10-15 mins to set up, those are precious minutes when I'm beat and racing against the elements to stay warm and dry. When the weather turns, so can 15 minutes into 30 or longer. Comparing soft shell tents, like a Tepui, to a hardshell that automatically sets up, is not a fair nor accurate parallel. They may perform a like function, but the means and nuances of achieving that function are quite disparate.

Is it a lot of cash to be spending? Surely. But this entirely unnecessary hobby of overlanding and off-roading at its very core is that. Why buy a $900 refrigerator when for $50 you can get a cooler and dry ice? Why spend over a $1000 for a drawer system when you can just buy plastic bins for a fraction of that? Why spend 4k on an alu-cab when you could just lean the seats back and crash inside the car -- why even bother with a tent, ground or otherwise? Style, and of course, means.

There will always be something to critique. If only they had done this or that. If only it were half the price. If only, if only, if only ... The reasons to not do something are aplenty. Balancing need, want, and willingness comprise the factors to do really anything.
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A few clarifications:

Alu-cab actually $4000, not 5000. Still expensive, but not as bad as all that.

The Alu-cab does NOT overhang on each side by 4inches. At least not on the 5th generation. See pic below. But I suppose this is mildly debatable as well. Is it wider than the roof rack rails, obviously -- but this is true of every single RTT out there. Does it protrude beyond the very edge of the roof, barely (definitely not even an inch). Is it wider than the body -- not remotely.

I looked at the iKamper, and it's definitely a well made product, but the soonest you could possibly get one is sometime in the fall -- and if I've learned anything about lead times for hot products, it's more likely winter of 2018. Time is of the essence for me. I simply don't trust manufacturers promised lead times any more. Furthermore, the alu-cab actually offers a taller head room than pretty much all other hard shell RTT's and by about 14" compared to iKamper, which is something I wanted to make changing clothes, and frankly peeing in a bottle in the middle of the night easier. (Forgive the vulgarity, but it really is a factor -- the last thing I want to do in the middle of freezing night is mess with a ladder.)

Ultimately it's really about style and preference. The difference is both degree and kind. Finding a hardshell tent under 3k is a serious challenge. And alu-cab really is the only field tested non-fiberglass shell you can get can. The thing is bomber.

By style, I really mean lifestyle. What it is you're doing in it and how it satisfies desire. I climb rocks and thus out in remote terrain about half of the year. I get up really early and come back in the dark. I want something that is going to be stupidly easy to set up, especially in suddenly adverse conditions (50+ mph winds/torrential downpours). Although soft-shell tents may only take 10-15 mins to set up, those are precious minutes when I'm beat and racing against the elements to stay warm and dry. When the weather turns, so can 15 minutes into 30 or longer. Comparing soft shell tents, like a Tepui, to a hardshell that automatically sets up, is not a fair nor accurate parallel. They may perform a like function, but the means and nuances of achieving that function are quite disparate.

Is it a lot of cash to be spending? Surely. But this entirely unnecessary hobby of overlanding and off-roading at its very core is that. Why buy a $900 refrigerator when for $50 you can get a cooler and dry ice? Why spend over a $1000 for a drawer system when you can just buy plastic bins for a fraction of that? Why spend 4k on an alu-cab when you could just lean the seats back and crash inside the car -- why even bother with a tent, ground or otherwise? Style, and of course, means.

There will always be something to critique. If only they had done this or that. If only it were half the price. If only, if only, if only ... The reasons to not do something are aplenty. Balancing need, want, and willingness comprise the factors to do really anything.
That's one way to put it. As long as you enjoy the product, and it works for your pursuits, that's awesome. I'm just trying to mention there are other solutions sub $5k for those less 'every second counts until I can sleep' syndrome. I'd imagine over the next few years as RTT technology progresses, prices will hopefully come down on the best ideas. Case in point - Yakima just released a new lightweight RTT solution for >$8xx?
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A few clarifications:

Alu-cab actually $4000, not 5000. Still expensive, but not as bad as all that.

The Alu-cab does NOT overhang on each side by 4inches. At least not on the 5th generation. See pic below. But I suppose this is mildly debatable as well. Is it wider than the roof rack rails, obviously -- but this is true of every single RTT out there. Does it protrude beyond the very edge of the roof, barely (definitely not even an inch). Is it wider than the body -- not remotely.

I looked at the iKamper, and it's definitely a well made product, but the soonest you could possibly get one is sometime in the fall -- and if I've learned anything about lead times for hot products, it's more likely winter of 2018. Time is of the essence for me. I simply don't trust manufacturers promised lead times any more. Furthermore, the alu-cab actually offers a taller head room than pretty much all other hard shell RTT's and by about 14" compared to iKamper, which is something I wanted to make changing clothes, and frankly peeing in a bottle in the middle of the night easier. (Forgive the vulgarity, but it really is a factor -- the last thing I want to do in the middle of freezing night is mess with a ladder.)

Ultimately it's really about style and preference. The difference is both degree and kind. Finding a hardshell tent under 3k is a serious challenge. And alu-cab really is the only field tested non-fiberglass shell you can get can. The thing is bomber.

By style, I really mean lifestyle. What it is you're doing in it and how it satisfies desire. I climb rocks and thus out in remote terrain about half of the year. I get up really early and come back in the dark. I want something that is going to be stupidly easy to set up, especially in suddenly adverse conditions (50+ mph winds/torrential downpours). Although soft-shell tents may only take 10-15 mins to set up, those are precious minutes when I'm beat and racing against the elements to stay warm and dry. When the weather turns, so can 15 minutes into 30 or longer. Comparing soft shell tents, like a Tepui, to a hardshell that automatically sets up, is not a fair nor accurate parallel. They may perform a like function, but the means and nuances of achieving that function are quite disparate.

Is it a lot of cash to be spending? Surely. But this entirely unnecessary hobby of overlanding and off-roading at its very core is that. Why buy a $900 refrigerator when for $50 you can get a cooler and dry ice? Why spend over a $1000 for a drawer system when you can just buy plastic bins for a fraction of that? Why spend 4k on an alu-cab when you could just lean the seats back and crash inside the car -- why even bother with a tent, ground or otherwise? Style, and of course, means.

There will always be something to critique. If only they had done this or that. If only it were half the price. If only, if only, if only ... The reasons to not do something are aplenty. Balancing need, want, and willingness comprise the factors to do really anything.
Looks great! Could you post more pictures from the side/rear/etc?
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That's one way to put it. As long as you enjoy the product, and it works for your pursuits, that's awesome. I'm just trying to mention there are other solutions sub $5k for those less 'every second counts until I can sleep' syndrome. I'd imagine over the next few years as RTT technology progresses, prices will hopefully come down on the best ideas. Case in point - Yakima just released a new lightweight RTT solution for >$8xx?
There you go comparing apples to oranges again. Soft shell tents and hard shell tents are not parallel comparables. Conflating the two fails to take into account the very thing that separates the two. We just took the rig out the other day to the forest. Found some amazing trails, however, with a lot of low hanging thicket and branches. Scratched and scraped it all pretty well. However, did not compromise the RTT one bit -- couldn't say for sure the same resilience could have been expected from a soft shell RTT. As I said before, it comes down to style, i.e. use/context. I imagine most people will stick to tamer conditions and will be fine with much cheaper/more modest options. We roll a little harder than most and beat the hell out of the rig/gear.

Also, the Yakima tent comes out to over a grand. Skyrise 2, which has horrible reviews across the board for leaking is a $1000+tax. The Skyrise 3, will set you back about $1400+tax -- but much better reviewed. A good bargain still.

Prices may eventually go down -- although that's not necessarily a certainty. Autohome tents, which have been around since the 1950's, still will run you about $3-4k. And although Alu-cab is new to the US market, they've been outfitting expeditions around the world for a while as well. Much of the cost behind these tents is material/labor, not necessarily market demand.
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Post Alu-cab is the best hard shell RTT today

One other advantage the Alu-cab has are the optional crossbar mounts that let you carry gear on top of the tent. I wish I would've found this a year ago when it was a grand less, still, $4000 for a solid RTT with lots of room and a standard USB/110V accessory is worth it. I had the yakima skyrise 2 and that is a very entry level soft rtt. It does store with a smaller footprint so I still had my sunroof which is a disadvantage for the Alu-cab. You'll have to find other ways to get your vitamin D while driving.

Another Alu-cab con is having to get a completely new rack system, mainly the Prinsu which runs another $6-700. However, that whole system with the awning is just sexy af. I'm 6'2" and the alu-cab's standing height was impressive compared to James Baroud and the others. I'm guessing the price might hike even higher by next year.

As mentioned before, it's all about what you're using it for. I should mention that I'm basically going to live in the 4R for the next year in order to save up for grad school so an RTT setup, while not as cozy as say, a cheap trailer, will be much easier to maintain, worry about, and adventure with on the weekends than a pop-up.

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Just got mine. Finished mounting a little while ago. I LOVE it.
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On your Alu-Cab/4Runner, can you use the rear entry with the ladder? I'm wondering if the spoiler on the hatch makes that impossible.

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On your Alu-Cab/4Runner, can you use the rear entry with the ladder? I'm wondering if the spoiler on the hatch makes that impossible.

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As you can see from the pic, it's not really possible. You could I suppose mount the tent real far back and clear the spoiler, but that doesn't make much sense. Also, it's just more practical for me to enter from the driver side -- as I have the awning on the passenger side, and when I set up camp, the back of the rig is the kitchen and thus the last thing I'd want it have to deal with a ladder right in the middle of it.
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Compared to FSR hardshell?

How is this compared to the FSR one?

https://www.gofsr.com/product/advent...roof-top-tent/
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