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On Sunday I installed new 4Runner-specific rear 4600s on my '07 Sport. As noted above, I've had 2015 Tacoma OR shocks front and rear for about 2 years and 50K miles. While I still feel the Tacoma swap is a solid choice, especially given the cost relative to a whole new setup, some owners may definitely prefer to use the 4R version of the 4600 for the rear. So far I have a couple of hundred miles on the new rear shocks; I like the ride a lot and the 4R version of the shock is noticeably beefier, something that surprised me when the shipment arrived a few days ago. Here's a side-by-side:
I still have a front set of shocks, coils, & UCAs from a 2020 Tacoma OR I plan to install up front. Those aren't a concern b/c the vehicles are nearly identical up there whereas the Tacoma has leaf springs vs. coils on the rear.
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01-18-2021, 12:48 PM
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Swapped in UCAs and coilovers from a 2020 Tacoma TRD Offroad to complete my latest suspension setup (installed 4Runner 4600s on the rear a couple of weeks ago).
Notes:
- Installing coilovers is (obviously) much easier with the UCA removed.
- Tacoma UCAs are plug and play on 4th Gen 4Runners.
- Steering is noticeably tighter with much less drift.
- Battery removal is not necessary to install the driver's side UCA. The clearance issue when sliding the long bolt forward comes down to fractions of an inch and involves 1) the bracket holding the cabling to the positive side of the battery and 2) the tray itself. Just remove the 10mm bolt holding the bracket and swing it out of the way as shown in the pic below. Then undo the battery hold-downs and lift the battery & tray just a smidge and it will clear.
- The FSM calls for a new castle nut and clip to attach the UCA to the knuckle. I debated this, figuring the old ones would almost certainly be fine. Found out I could get new nuts & clips for $6 at Cobb County Toyota and decided it was a good investment considering the consequences of a failure, however unlikely it might be.
- These LED lights are very handy. Note it hanging from the fender in the wheel well shot above. There's a magnet in the swingout hook so it can be attached in many places where good light is needed.
Finally, a question: the driver's side suspension droops noticeably more than the passenger side when the truck is jacked up from the center. This is true whether jacking the front center point or the pumpkin. It was the same with the stock X-REAS, my first suspension setup, and the current one.
Is this a manifestation of the driver's side lean? Something else? Interesting in whether others have seen this and whether it's a concern. TIA.
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01-25-2021, 12:01 AM
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I just did this swap last week on my 2003 v8 limited, with Xreas. One of the rear shocks was leaking fluid and was contributing to a soft tippy feeling. I picked up a set of 4600s off of a 2018 Trd Off-Road Tacoma, from a guy on craigslist.
My install took probably 4 hrs on the fronts, and 2 on the rears, but I encountered several rust-welded nuts on the strut towers. These took some care to not round the nuts over, while attempting to put enough torque into a wrench to loosen them. That took approximately 2 of the 4 hrs. Also installing the struts by yourself is interesting, I figured out how to coordinate 3 limbs to stick that sucker in there. The only thing you need to buy is the aforementioned 3/4" energy bushings for $10 on amazon, I pressed the old ones out with 2 sockets and a vise easily.
Overall I feel like the ride quality is much better, especially under braking there is much less forward tipping. It looks like I gained about 2.25" of lift in the front, and now it sits very level. Final measurement from the top of the tire to the bottom of fender flares: is about 5.25" up front, and 6" in the rear. +/- 1/8" the gas tank lean to the driver side. Right now I've got 265/65/17 Cooper HTP's , but the 4r looks more like a 4x4 now that the rake is gone. Probably will go up to 265/70 AT's next time it's time to get tires.
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04-09-2021, 02:37 PM
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Finally got a side view showing the stance with my new setup. Tires are stock size & I have Spidertrax spacers.
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05-08-2021, 07:33 PM
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Have a set of shocks and struts from a 2020 TRD Offroad and also have a pair of radflo fj springs (C1500-500-220) that I am going to install. I was wondering how much lift I would get in total and what size front spacer would I need to level it out if I need one at all. I am gonna install the rears myself and have a shop install the fronts for me so I would like him to just toss on the spacers as well to save me some time and hassle. This is going on a V6 2WD.
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08-12-2021, 07:57 PM
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I have no affiliation or relationship with this person, I just ran across this Facebook Marketplace listing and wanted to post it in case anybody is looking for a set.
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11-08-2021, 04:42 PM
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Bluesky- Did these new shocks firm up the back end any? I have the Tacoma shocks in the back with the 5th gen 4runner springs and they are a little bouncy. Looking to firm up the rear a bit but it sits perfect for me right now, its about 1" higher in the back...
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11-09-2021, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Gmac4121
Bluesky- Did these new shocks firm up the back end any? I have the Tacoma shocks in the back with the 5th gen 4runner springs and they are a little bouncy. Looking to firm up the rear a bit but it sits perfect for me right now, its about 1" higher in the back...
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Yes, I don't find the back bouncy at all. I think the difference is that the Tacoma has leaf springs vs. coils on a 4Runner and that's why I went with the 4Runner-specific 4600 this time.
Also, I see you're new - welcome. This forum is an amazing resource. A tip for you since I only happened to see your post since I'm interested in this thread: if you use the @ sign with someone's exact user name (for example,
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11-09-2021, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluesky 07
Yes, I don't find the back bouncy at all. I think the difference is that the Tacoma has leaf springs vs. coils on a 4Runner and that's why I went with the 4Runner-specific 4600 this time.
Also, I see you're new - welcome. This forum is an amazing resource. A tip for you since I only happened to see your post since I'm interested in this thread: if you use the @ sign with someone's exact user name (for example,
@ Gmac4121
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@ bluesky
thanks for the warm welcome and tip. I haven't used the online forums in a long time. Couple last questions...
Did you notice any difference when you changed rear shocks?
I'm assuming these shocks will be ok to use with a 1" lift in the rear?
I'm trying to get rid of the spongy ride in the rear. Wondering if its the taco shocks in the back or the 5th gen 4runner springs or both.
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11-09-2021, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Gmac4121
@ bluesky
thanks for the warm welcome and tip. I haven't used the online forums in a long time. Couple last questions...
Did you notice any difference when you changed rear shocks?
I'm assuming these shocks will be ok to use with a 1" lift in the rear?
I'm trying to get rid of the spongy ride in the rear. Wondering if its the taco shocks in the back or the 5th gen 4runner springs or both.
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You're very welcome.
1. Yes, the ride is firmer with the 4R-specific 4600s.
2. This answer is a little more complicated. Bilstein says the 4600 is made for stock-height vehicles and the 5100 is for lifted trucks. But...as I understand it, the 5100 is also designed to take heavier loads on the assumption that a lifted truck likely has additional weight (gear, armor, tire carriers, etc.). That may be why many people who don't carry extra weight find the 5100 too harsh.
I've had the Tacoma ORD rear shocks and now the 4R-specific 4600, both with FJ rear springs that offer about 1" height over stock and the shocks have been fine to me, but of course ride comfort is subjective.
3. My best guess would be the shocks since the Tacoma version is engineered for leaf springs, but take that with a grain of salt since I have zero experience with 5th Gen springs.
Hope you get the ride where you want it.
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11-09-2021, 07:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gmac4121
@ bluesky
thanks for the warm welcome and tip. I haven't used the online forums in a long time. Couple last questions...
Did you notice any difference when you changed rear shocks?
I'm assuming these shocks will be ok to use with a 1" lift in the rear?
I'm trying to get rid of the spongy ride in the rear. Wondering if its the taco shocks in the back or the 5th gen 4runner springs or both.
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Just an FYI again on how to "mention" someone properly so they get notified, you tried to mention
@ Bluesky 07
....but you didn't get his user's name correct, (note the difference in how I just mentioned him in my last sentence and compare it to how you tried to mention him) because you didn't type his user's name as it is on the forum, you didn't capitalize the "B" and there has to be a space after "Bluesky" and before the "07" which you didn't you didn't type in, you instead mentioned another user
@ bluesky
who hasn't been on the forum since 2006.
What I do to make it exact and easier is to copy the person's user's name and type @ and then paste the user's name directly after @ with no spaces... like this...
@ Gmac4121
Luckily he checked back on this topic and saw you replied, otherwise he would of missed your reply because he wouldn't of been notified.
Also you can check after you post by clicking on the user's name you mentioned in your reply and it will take you to that user's profile page and you can check if it seems to be to correct person.
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11-30-2021, 06:15 PM
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I have a lead on some TRD Sport front coils/shocks, anybody know if they'll achieve any lift?
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01-03-2022, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by JVC8790
This is correct! Front goes right in, rear shocks need the bushing. I’d suggest putting in FJ rear springs to match the rear shocks. I’m pretty happy with my upgrade (2nd Gen fronts) but I have a set of 3rd Gen ones to install soon as I’ve been told they offer a little more lift.
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Hey, sorry to revive an old thread but I picked up a set of front struts/coils and rear coils from a 2018 Tacoma OR. Are the rear springs a must with the Tacoma rear struts?
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01-04-2022, 09:20 AM
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Hey, sorry to revive an old thread but I picked up a set of front struts/coils and rear coils from a 2018 Tacoma OR. Are the rear springs a must with the Tacoma rear struts?
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Not sure I understand your question but will try to answer what I think you're asking. Your stock springs should work with the gear you bought. With that said, assuming yours are original, they've been hauling around a 4,500 lb. SUV for 15+ years and however many miles you have. When I replaced my original suspension, I knew I would drive around wondering whether new springs would have made a difference in the ride and off-road performance. Springs aren't expensive so personally I would recommend replacing the rear springs too.
Another consideration is that the Tacoma rear shocks are designed for leaf springs, not coils, so new springs would likely give you a better ride. The "X-REAS delete..." post linked in my sig has more info on my reasons for the gear I started with and what I have now. Hope this helps.
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01-04-2022, 02:24 PM
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thanks for all the info on this thread. I am waiting to swap the front xreas for 2019 taco fronts, and ordered 4runner specific 4600s for the rear. will also do taco UCAs for the front, new tie rods, front and rear sway bar endlinks with red bushings, and front lower control arms (new). im 2wd so anything more than this would be too much, and the most off road this 2wd sees is at my farm in south GA, when i travel there maybe 3 or 4 times a year from FL.
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