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V8 is full time 4WD, so you have better make sure, you a full size spare, and if you get bigger tires better get 5 as as you cant drive in 4wd with one tire that not the same size, to much stress on the diff.. The V8 oil filter is on the bottom of the engine, just a little more work to get to it.
The V6 is selectable 4wd, the oil filter is on the top of the motor, mush easier oil changes.
As far as horsepower I honestly did not notice any power difference in either.
I know lots of people want the V8 and some even seem to to get their feelings hurt when I say I like the V6 better lol but everyone is different.
For what I do, how I drive it, where I wheel it just makes sense to me.
In the end, its your money, your ride get what YOU want.
Definitely great points were brought up here. I didn't think about the 5 tire purchase piece of the puzzle. I also find it interesting that you didn't notice any power difference.. That is a first but I am glad that you are enjoying your new rig!

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ryananderson05 - Both of those rigs are beautiful, I'm glad to hear you are happy with the upgrade! Towing is a definite plus for the 4th gens. I'm guessing that is a V6 model because there is no V6 badge?
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Definitely great points were brought up here. I didn't think about the 5 tire purchase piece of the puzzle. I also find it interesting that you didn't notice any power difference.. That is a first but I am glad that you are enjoying your new rig!

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ryananderson05 - Both of those rigs are beautiful, I'm glad to hear you are happy with the upgrade! Towing is a definite plus for the 4th gens. I'm guessing that is a V6 model because there is no V6 badge?
Yes I have a V6 and it feels like I have way more power than my 00.

Another thing to note is I am in ND where we don't have any challenging trails.. MN has some forest trails so I opted for comfort on road trips rather than keep the 2000.
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Here's my 2 cents. I've owned two 3rd gens and one 4th gen. My first was a 99 with the 3.4 auto. My second and currently still in the fleet is a 99 with a 2.7 manual. I had pretty big plans to keep it as a pavement queen including adding a turbo but I started to see some limitations in the past few years. I even had 01 sport interior parts to swap into the car but never got around to doing it. Here are my pros / cons with 3rd gen ownership (may be a reiteration of what some others have said on the thread).




Pros:
- felt more connected and mechanical in driving
- simpler maintenance (IE brake master cylinder doesn't include replacing the entire ABS unit)
- less electronic nannies (TCS / VCS)
- the handling on mine felt more like a rwd car (maybe partly because its lighter and was only 2wd) - similar to comparing my FD to my former RS4
- dual auto front window down function
- availability of 5 speed manual
- aftermarket parts availability

Cons:
- some what dated controls / interior ergonomics
- lack of power (felt this more in my 3.4 than the 2.7 mainly because of the manual, but I still felt the limitations of the 4 cylinder for sure) availability of boosting options helps here though
- uncomfortable seats for long trips
- not much else to dislike - just the usual older car stuff

I was up and down between getting a 5th and 4th gen around this time in 2017. I got some good time driving my friends 5th gen limited with full time 4wd. I test drove one beat up 06 V8 4wd from a local used car lot and decided that I needed to find a 4th gen V8 for sure. Between the two generations, I felt they handled pretty much the same. The 5th gen My decision to even contemplate buying a non-3rd gen was shocking to me but mainly I wanted something a bit larger to transport my dogs around. If were just me, I would have continued rolling along with the 3rd gen. I've always been a die hard 3rd gen fan, thats why I bought a second one to finish the project I never finished.

Anyway, I bought my 4th gen sight unseen and flew into Philly 6 weeks after buying to pick her up. I pretty much changed my mind instantly after I drove her off the lot. At 143k miles, she felt like she had only done like 30k. Even the tired XREAS made the truck feel pretty plush for the entire 1000 mile road trip back home. Here are some pros / cons to the 4th gen from me.



Pros:
- V8 availability (I'm not going into a debate but I did mainly pick the 4th gen for this reason)
- interior is very similar to the early 5th gen (2010-2013) - so it feels not as old especially with an updated carplay / android auto unit
- seat comfort on long trips (I used to get back aches in the 3rd gen, I don't get them in the 4th gen)
- rear seats fold without needing to remove the head rest (its the little things)
- extra storage compartments in rear wheel well
- electronic closing rear hatch (not auto close but you don't have to slam it to close the rear hatch)
- XREAS is comfortable (although I ditched this already and it still feels pretty decent with the aftermarket setup)

Cons:
- size (it feels much bigger than my 3rd gen and makes my 3rd gen feel like a sports car) - although it also has a larger cabin
- handling (handles like an AWD vehicle with more understeer feel vs my 3rd gen / also feels less connected to the road)
- V8 timing belt (2.7 on 3rd gen and the 1GR has timing chains so this is a V8 specific item) - I don't see it as a con because most cars have this as a maintenance item
- front calipers prone to freezing (my passenger front was frozen) - I fixed this by going with an aftermarket BBK though (not a route everyone is willing to go with but with the amount of money being thrown around for suspension and engine upgrades, I figured its worth the investment and time. Time is golden for me, service it once vs having to replace frozen calipers every few years)
- complexity for maintenance (more sensors / solenoids that can go bad over time) - IE: secondary air injection pump issue (v8 specific), 4wd lo solenoid
- add on of VCS, TCS systems (just modernization I guess) - at least you can turn them off without some silly pedal dance process like the FT86/BRZ

After I came home with my 4th gen, I still drove my 3rd gen on and off for 2 months after I got the 4th gen but after I got it registered, the 3rd gen has pretty much sat in place since late March of this year. I only drive it once every few weeks to keep the parts moving. I'd keep it as a fun car, but 5 vehicles for one person is just too much. I love my V8 4th gen and have almost jumped at the opportunity to pick up a lower mileage one several times, but for now I'll save my monies and continue to enjoy the one I have. I know if anything happened I'll get another one for sure. It fulfills all the check boxes the 3rd gen does and more. Those are my 2 cents as far as daily drivability.
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Here's my 2 cents. I've owned two 3rd gens and one 4th gen. My first was a 99 with the 3.4 auto. My second and currently still in the fleet is a 99 with a 2.7 manual. I had pretty big plans to keep it as a pavement queen including adding a turbo but I started to see some limitations in the past few years. I even had 01 sport interior parts to swap into the car but never got around to doing it. Here are my pros / cons with 3rd gen ownership (may be a reiteration of what some others have said on the thread).




Pros:
- felt more connected and mechanical in driving
- simpler maintenance (IE brake master cylinder doesn't include replacing the entire ABS unit)
- less electronic nannies (TCS / VCS)
- the handling on mine felt more like a rwd car (maybe partly because its lighter and was only 2wd) - similar to comparing my FD to my former RS4
- dual auto front window down function
- availability of 5 speed manual
- aftermarket parts availability

Cons:
- some what dated controls / interior ergonomics
- lack of power (felt this more in my 3.4 than the 2.7 mainly because of the manual, but I still felt the limitations of the 4 cylinder for sure) availability of boosting options helps here though
- uncomfortable seats for long trips
- not much else to dislike - just the usual older car stuff

I was up and down between getting a 5th and 4th gen around this time in 2017. I got some good time driving my friends 5th gen limited with full time 4wd. I test drove one beat up 06 V8 4wd from a local used car lot and decided that I needed to find a 4th gen V8 for sure. Between the two generations, I felt they handled pretty much the same. The 5th gen My decision to even contemplate buying a non-3rd gen was shocking to me but mainly I wanted something a bit larger to transport my dogs around. If were just me, I would have continued rolling along with the 3rd gen. I've always been a die hard 3rd gen fan, thats why I bought a second one to finish the project I never finished.

Anyway, I bought my 4th gen sight unseen and flew into Philly 6 weeks after buying to pick her up. I pretty much changed my mind instantly after I drove her off the lot. At 143k miles, she felt like she had only done like 30k. Even the tired XREAS made the truck feel pretty plush for the entire 1000 mile road trip back home. Here are some pros / cons to the 4th gen from me.



Pros:
- V8 availability (I'm not going into a debate but I did mainly pick the 4th gen for this reason)
- interior is very similar to the early 5th gen (2010-2013) - so it feels not as old especially with an updated carplay / android auto unit
- seat comfort on long trips (I used to get back aches in the 3rd gen, I don't get them in the 4th gen)
- rear seats fold without needing to remove the head rest (its the little things)
- extra storage compartments in rear wheel well
- electronic closing rear hatch (not auto close but you don't have to slam it to close the rear hatch)
- XREAS is comfortable (although I ditched this already and it still feels pretty decent with the aftermarket setup)

Cons:
- size (it feels much bigger than my 3rd gen and makes my 3rd gen feel like a sports car) - although it also has a larger cabin
- handling (handles like an AWD vehicle with more understeer feel vs my 3rd gen / also feels less connected to the road)
- V8 timing belt (2.7 on 3rd gen and the 1GR has timing chains so this is a V8 specific item) - I don't see it as a con because most cars have this as a maintenance item
- front calipers prone to freezing (my passenger front was frozen) - I fixed this by going with an aftermarket BBK though (not a route everyone is willing to go with but with the amount of money being thrown around for suspension and engine upgrades, I figured its worth the investment and time. Time is golden for me, service it once vs having to replace frozen calipers every few years)
- complexity for maintenance (more sensors / solenoids that can go bad over time) - IE: secondary air injection pump issue (v8 specific), 4wd lo solenoid
- add on of VCS, TCS systems (just modernization I guess) - at least you can turn them off without some silly pedal dance process like the FT86/BRZ

After I came home with my 4th gen, I still drove my 3rd gen on and off for 2 months after I got the 4th gen but after I got it registered, the 3rd gen has pretty much sat in place since late March of this year. I only drive it once every few weeks to keep the parts moving. I'd keep it as a fun car, but 5 vehicles for one person is just too much. I love my V8 4th gen and have almost jumped at the opportunity to pick up a lower mileage one several times, but for now I'll save my monies and continue to enjoy the one I have. I know if anything happened I'll get another one for sure. It fulfills all the check boxes the 3rd gen does and more. Those are my 2 cents as far as daily drivability.
Great reply! I really appreciate the time you put into this comprehensive response.

Hey man, I'm pretty sure you are the one who sold me the factory 5 star 3rd gen wheels, am I right? I recognize that FD and I see in your signature you also have a FK8. I'm sure that is no coincidence haha. By the way the rims are working out great!
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I decided to keep my 3rd gen after buying a 4th gen. I've been driving one for about a month, then switching over to the other for a month.

When I get back into the 3rd gen, I always say to myself 'gee I love driving this thing!'. Then when I get back into the 4th gen I say to myself 'gee this thing is so much nicer'. And the cycle repeats....
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Seems like a good reason to own both if you can!

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Great reply! I really appreciate the time you put into this comprehensive response.

Hey man, I'm pretty sure you are the one who sold me the factory 5 star 3rd gen wheels, am I right? I recognize that FD and I see in your signature you also have a FK8. I'm sure that is no coincidence haha. By the way the rims are working out great!
Haha glad they worked out for you man. Did you end up refinishing them?
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Haha glad they worked out for you man. Did you end up refinishing them?
I haven't. I have refinished several sets of wheels, and at this point they would be finished via a DIY method. Spray paint and plasti dip in my opinion are too soft and the factory paint is still decent enough, especially at 10 feet away haha. Glad to hear you are enjoying the 4th Gen.


One thing that nobody has brought up that seems like a big deal is the V6 head gasket issue on the '04, '05, '06 rigs (predominately). Is this something that concerns any of you? Does anyone feel like the V6 head gasket issues are a reason to buy a V8 model even with the potential cracked header issues related to the V8? Of course any vehicle is going to have their own idiosyncrasies.

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One thing that nobody has brought up that seems like a big deal is the V6 head gasket issue on the '04, '05, '06 rigs (predominately). Is this something that concerns any of you? Does anyone feel like the V6 head gasket issues are a reason to buy a V8 model even with the potential cracked header issues related to the V8? Of course any vehicle is going to have their own idiosyncrasies.

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My v8 has cracked headers. I just haven't gotten around to ordering replacements yet. Doesn't affect my enjoyment of my rig though.
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My v8 has cracked headers. I just haven't gotten around to ordering replacements yet. Doesn't affect my enjoyment of my rig though.
Is it just loud at the moment?
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Is it just loud at the moment?
Manifests as a ticking noise at cold starts.
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After having 2 4th Gens, a 5th Gen, and a 3rd Gen, I can honestly say I love my 4th Gen the most.

For me, it's got the right amount of roominess and creature comforts. My V8 sport has more power than my 5th gen or my 3rd gen ever thought of, and definitely rides better.

I will always love the body styling of the 3rd gens, but I will not pick up another one, unless I know that it is extremely clean and low mileage.
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After having 2 4th Gens, a 5th Gen, and a 3rd Gen, I can honestly say I love my 4th Gen the most.

For me, it's got the right amount of roominess and creature comforts. My V8 sport has more power than my 5th gen or my 3rd gen ever thought of, and definitely rides better.

I will always love the body styling of the 3rd gens, but I will not pick up another one, unless I know that it is extremely clean and low mileage.
You definitely have a lot of experience then, I appreciate your response. I'm guessing you would not go with a V6 4th gen in the future since you have a V8? That seems like most people's opinion.
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Picked up my '08 after the headgasket blew on my 1997 SR5 (#2 gasket). I can honestly say that part of me now wants to drive the '97 off a cliff lol. The '08 is modestly elegant, even as a Limited edition, but significantly more comfortable. The V8 power is definitely something worth mentioning, it is a night and day comparison between the 3.4 of my '97 and the 4.7 of the '08. Additionally, for me anyway, I've seen a a marginal difference in fuel economy between the two (my experience anyway)... averaging 17.5 highway in the V8.

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You definitely have a lot of experience then, I appreciate your response. I'm guessing you would not go with a V6 4th gen in the future since you have a V8? That seems like most people's opinion.
Based on your username, I presume you are in Texax.
No hills, no advantage to v8.
Freeway speed limits.. are they 80+ in Texas? Not sure if the 4th gen v6/v8 will have much difference at highway speeds since the v6 will be well into it's powerband.
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