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that way is no easier than using the fill hole on the trans... & as you found it took a lot longer with a hand pump or power bleeder. you can fill 2-3 qts via the fill hole with a funnel & few feet of hose in about 2-3 minutes!

sorry for all the replies on this, just trying to help & make life easier on guys doing this....
Ease of access was my thought too. I know the fill hole is an option, but it can be a little more of a pain to get to underneath the vehicle and access it. Using the original method you can do it all by standing next to the engine bay.

It took longer than anticipated, but oh well. Wasnt a huge deal, just had a few beers and had music going in the garage. There are worse ways to spend a couple hours.
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If I could roll under the truck on a creeper I might go for the fill hole.
But I have dirt and gravel. Acres and acres of it. (I miss my shop at our last home)
So the alternative choice to do it without being poked with sharp rocks is appealing to me.

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Sounds like the best way is to drain/fill 3 qts at a time directly from the trans using a funnel and a long tube. Then once its all replaced to my satisfaction, even maybe over a full week period, do what the manual says to more officially check the fluid level by jumping a pin, letting the trans get up to temperature, and opening the inspection port?

Any issues with this?
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Ease of access was my thought too. I know the fill hole is an option, but it can be a little more of a pain to get to underneath the vehicle and access it. Using the original method you can do it all by standing next to the engine bay.

It took longer than anticipated, but oh well. Wasnt a huge deal, just had a few beers and had music going in the garage. There are worse ways to spend a couple hours.
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If I could roll under the truck on a creeper I might go for the fill hole.
But I have dirt and gravel. Acres and acres of it. (I miss my shop at our last home)
So the alternative choice to do it without being poked with sharp rocks is appealing to me.

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fully understand if getting under the car is an issue or you're on gravel... mine is at stock height & i have a clean driveway or garage floor, most stock 4runners sit high enough theres no need to really even jack it up to get to the fill plug on the trans & insert the end of the hose.

whatever works best for you is all that matters.
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Does The fluid come out from the torque converter, or straight from the Pan?
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Does The fluid come out from the torque converter, or straight from the Pan?
answered this on the other thread you posted it on...

"comes from the TC. the trans & TC gets its "new" or cooled fluid from the pan.

doing an exchange you are pumping out fluid from the converter then refilling the pan to to cycle new fluid through the trans & TC.

& dont fill through the cooling line like the first post on this thread, takes forever & makes it so much harder than it needs to be. use the fill hole on the side of the trans as it was designed for."
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the train has derailed a bit....

So lets try to put it back on the rails.... I noticed some confusion in the last couple pages.

The original post on this method was to eliminate the need to get under the truck to refill the ATF at the fill port on the top of the tranny.

1. firebirdguy is referring to the method outlined in this thread:
ATF Exchange (using the cooling line) - Toyota 4Runner Forum - Largest 4Runner Forum


Yes, this method I linked breaks the fluid path at the lower trans cooler output, where it's returning to the tranny. Yes, this method also uses the fill port on the top of the tranny. This works. I've done it twice. It is, however, messy and awkward. You will find the it's difficult to access the fill bolt and your arm is very close to an exhaust pipe, so if you've run your truck to warm the fluid, it's easy to get burned. They way I pumped in new fluid was with individual ATF quarts and a fluid pump that screws on to the top of the quart. Now, try pumping that damned thing. It's a real PITA. I always had to push the bottle up against the undercarriage to operate the pump.... oh and the fluid pump you buy from the parts store? You'll find that the toyota WS quart bottles have a slightly different sized opening, so those bottle pumps fit kinda wonky. ( wish I knew about the DIY pressurized pump back then..I'll get to that) Again, this method works, but you'll be crawling all over the floor. Yes, doing maintenance will require getting on the floor, but it's pretty cramped down there doing an ATF flush. I'll argue that this method is actually harder than post #1 in this thread.

Also mentioned was an ATF hose location on the passenger side of the radiator. Be careful! I have a V6, the ATF lines to the trans cooler are on the DRIVERS side. The V8 might be different.

As I mentioned, the OP in this thread offered an alternate. Same process, just at a different location in the system. Early in this thread, someone mentioned using a pressurized pump to eliminate waiting for gravity to do your refills.
Like this: YouTube

A pressurized pump makes filling at the fill plug MUCH easier since you could pour in your 2 qts, pump it up then open the valve. But, the pressurized pump also makes it easier to fill into the upper tranny cooler line also. So I'd call that even.

Filling from a funnel up high, going into the fill plug: I tried it, didn't work. At least, not using gravity. The tube will be too long and have several turns down to the fill plug. Surface tension and capillary action, I think, made it very difficult for the fluid to drain all the way down, plus you have a lot of residual fluid in the tube, so your measurements will be all off. Here again, the pressurized pump would likely solve this issue.



2. Etremewlr ( I think I spelled that wrong) described a problem with very slow flow on the refills. There shouldn't be any check valves, the fluid only moves in one direction. Why didn't you just refill at your dipstick? It looked like you have an '05 with the non-sealed tranny. I also noticed this one was a V8 and the hoses were connected on the passenger side.

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Here is a link to my 2 cents when I did my flush. Worked like a charm filling from above. Used a plastic fitting... 3/8 MPT x 1/2 barbed hose. Teflon tape and a funnel. Easily added fluid through engine compartment.

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So lets try to put it back on the rails.... I noticed some confusion in the last couple pages.

The original post on this method was to eliminate the need to get under the truck to refill the ATF at the fill port on the top of the tranny.

1. firebirdguy is referring to the method outlined in this thread:
ATF Exchange (using the cooling line) - Toyota 4Runner Forum - Largest 4Runner Forum


Yes, this method I linked breaks the fluid path at the lower trans cooler output, where it's returning to the tranny. Yes, this method also uses the fill port on the top of the tranny. This works. I've done it twice. It is, however, messy and awkward. You will find the it's difficult to access the fill bolt and your arm is very close to an exhaust pipe, so if you've run your truck to warm the fluid, it's easy to get burned. They way I pumped in new fluid was with individual ATF quarts and a fluid pump that screws on to the top of the quart. Now, try pumping that damned thing. It's a real PITA. I always had to push the bottle up against the undercarriage to operate the pump.... oh and the fluid pump you buy from the parts store? You'll find that the toyota WS quart bottles have a slightly different sized opening, so those bottle pumps fit kinda wonky. ( wish I knew about the DIY pressurized pump back then..I'll get to that) Again, this method works, but you'll be crawling all over the floor. Yes, doing maintenance will require getting on the floor, but it's pretty cramped down there doing an ATF flush. I'll argue that this method is actually harder than post #1 in this thread.

Also mentioned was an ATF hose location on the passenger side of the radiator. Be careful! I have a V6, the ATF lines to the trans cooler are on the DRIVERS side. The V8 might be different.

As I mentioned, the OP in this thread offered an alternate. Same process, just at a different location in the system. Early in this thread, someone mentioned using a pressurized pump to eliminate waiting for gravity to do your refills.
Like this: YouTube

A pressurized pump makes filling at the fill plug MUCH easier since you could pour in your 2 qts, pump it up then open the valve. But, the pressurized pump also makes it easier to fill into the upper tranny cooler line also. So I'd call that even.

Filling from a funnel up high, going into the fill plug: I tried it, didn't work. At least, not using gravity. The tube will be too long and have several turns down to the fill plug. Surface tension and capillary action, I think, made it very difficult for the fluid to drain all the way down, plus you have a lot of residual fluid in the tube, so your measurements will be all off. Here again, the pressurized pump would likely solve this issue.



2. Etremewlr ( I think I spelled that wrong) described a problem with very slow flow on the refills. There shouldn't be any check valves, the fluid only moves in one direction. Why didn't you just refill at your dipstick? It looked like you have an '05 with the non-sealed tranny. I also noticed this one was a V8 and the hoses were connected on the passenger side.

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using the trans fill hole is in no way messy or awkward, its the fastest most simple way to do it without buying a powered pump. to each their own on how they do this, but saying getting under the truck using the fill hole is harder than filling via the cooler lines is not true at all, unless youre a very big guy or cant get up & down off the floor a couple times due to a physical handicap etc. & if you warmed the fluid, which is not required, you simply let it sit for about 10 minutes & the exhaust pipes are cool... if youre doing it right after running the truck & burning your arm, i cant help ya there, common sense isnt too common apparently.

also saying filling from a funnel up high doesnt work is completely untrue, you had something wrong with the set up if you had "several turns" or bends etc... i know because i did it & so have countless others & it takes all of about 3-4 minutes to fill ~2qts. it is a straight shot from the passenger side wheel well down to the fill hole on the trans, just a nice gradual curve in the hose. if you had problems filling with a hose & funnel you did it wrong or had too small of a funnel/hose. there is no surface tension or capillary action, its an open hose with no restrictions into the fill hole.

there is of course more that one way to skin this cat, if you cant get under the truck or are too lazy to do that then yes you can try filling via the cooler lines & wait forever for it to fill, or you can buy a hand pump, which will pump trans fluid very easy, it does not require struggling pushing the bottle against the floor, it can be difficult with gear lube but not water thin trans fluid. or buy a mechanical power pump is an option too, but why make this process so difficult & expensive when its a simple straight forward thing?

my comments on this thread are just trying to help others with a faster easier way to do it, if getting under the truck is a problem or inconvenience or you cant run a hose to the fill hole without several bends, then maybe this way is not for you.

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Great post! Seen other similar posts but this is straight forward and detailed enough to follow. Thanks!
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Thanks!

This a great approach. I've used it on several vehicles. I prefer to separate the return line down low, and drain the fluid coming from the radiator while feeding the fresh fluid back to the transmission. I tell myself this method reduces mixing of the old and new fluid, but really I just prefer it. Down low reduces mess from the small amount of ATF that drips when you disconnect and reconnect the hoses.

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is there enough force from the gravity after hanging the funnel up to push enough of the clean fluid through the radiator and back to the transmission?
Personally, instead of relying on gravity to push the new fluid back in, I would probably use this:
Motive Products Power Fill Pro Transfer Pumps | JEGS

just my 2 cents. maybe it's a waste of money, idk. great post though!
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So basically Firebirdguy in my 2003 4R V6 2WD A340E-i trans
Procedure is: Connect 3/8 hose to lower radiator trans cooler nipple for drainage with engine and fill at my dipstick, 2qts a the time, till i get nice fluid? that's it?
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So basically Firebirdguy in my 2003 4R V6 2WD A340E-i trans
Procedure is: Connect 3/8 hose to lower radiator trans cooler nipple for drainage with engine and fill at my dipstick, 2qts a the time, till i get nice fluid? that's it?
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hi. yes if you plan to do the full fluid exchange you would use the bottom trans line port on the radiator, it should be the outlet just like the sealed transmissions, & should have the same 3/8 metal fitting to connect 3/8 hose to.

then have a helper start the truck while you watch for ~2qts to pump out into the jug, then shut it off & fill the same amount via the dipstick tube. verify your trans fluid capacity & do enough 2qt cycles to replace it. since you dont have WS fluid to worry about, valvoline maxlife is the best option to use.
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hi. yes if you plan to do the full fluid exchange you would use the bottom trans line port on the radiator, it should be the outlet just like the sealed transmissions, & should have the same 3/8 metal fitting to connect 3/8 hose to.

then have a helper start the truck while you watch for ~2qts to pump out into the jug, then shut it off & fill the same amount via the dipstick tube. verify your trans fluid capacity & do enough 2qt cycles to replace it. since you dont have WS fluid to worry about, valvoline maxlife is the best option to use.
Great. Thanks firebirdguy
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