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Old 11-17-2019, 04:53 PM #76
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Yes that is one instance that I didn't remember of him using Maxlife on his last fluid change and it stopped his shudder...but since he hasn't reported back who's to know if it "cured" it, he could of use the WS fluid and had the same results and also who's to know what the results would be if he had been using Maxlife when servicing the transmission from the start and in the end had the same issue that prompted him to go with a different fluid for the last reported fluid change, so it would be nice if he responds back to where you recently asked how it was doing on the shudder issue, which still may happen since he seems to still be active but just hasn't been on the forum for a little over 2 months now, but he also doesn't post very much his last post was about one year ago, it would definitely add some good definite info to the debate.
he did report back after about 6 months & said it was doing fine & still going strong. & then chimed in again 6 months later 11/18 & didnt report any issues... im sure if since then in the last year if there was any issues he would have reported it. or he sold the 4runner, or the trans blew up & he doesnt want to report it?? LOL!

way too many what ifs there... but what stands out for me in his example is not like many others who have never changed their fluid & got shudder issues, he reported WS exchanges every 60k since new, then at 185k it had the shudder, so 3 different changes with WS during the life & still had shudder issues kind of raises a red flag on WS & how long it lasts or how "good" it is. but we cant speculate on what caused it or wonder if using maxlife all that time would have changed anything, or another (4th) use of WS... the main thing i take from it is that the trans had a shudder issue on multiple changes of WS, then when he tried maxlife it was gone.

yeah hopefully he replies to my last post asking for an update.
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Old 11-17-2019, 06:04 PM #77
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here is the thread of the guy talking about the reasons toyota changed to WS & some points on why its nothing special & there are many other alternatives today. keep in mind its been 15 years since WS started, all the big oil companies have designed, tested, & upgraded fluids that are as good or better in many ways than WS. just like with any factory part on a vehicle, there is always better quality & performance from some aftermarket parts, fluids are no different.

the OP kinda jumps in & out of the thread so its a long read, but there are all kinds of positive reports from members about using maxlife or other brands, no negatives of actual driving experiences, just a few naysayers saying you have to use WS or else! one member, "bad wolf" whos an engineer makes many good points about how WS is nothing more than an average fluid.

a basic google search on "toyota ws vs maxlife" will give you all the info & reviews you could ever want. ive read until my eyes hurt... & have no reservations or doubts about using maxlife.

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Old 11-18-2019, 11:47 AM #78
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here is the thread of the guy talking about the reasons toyota changed to WS & some points on why its nothing special & there are many other alternatives today. keep in mind its been 15 years since WS started, all the big oil companies have designed, tested, & upgraded fluids that are as good or better in many ways than WS. just like with any factory part on a vehicle, there is always better quality & performance from some aftermarket parts, fluids are no different.

the OP kinda jumps in & out of the thread so its a long read, but there are all kinds of positive reports from members about using maxlife or other brands, no negatives of actual driving experiences, just a few naysayers saying you have to use WS or else! one member, "bad wolf" whos an engineer makes many good points about how WS is nothing more than an average fluid.

a basic google search on "toyota ws vs maxlife" will give you all the info & reviews you could ever want. ive read until my eyes hurt... & have no reservations or doubts about using maxlife.

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how come the dealer can only get to 3 out of 13 quarts for the $97 drain and fill? if i dont plan to do this easy peasy change, and not planning to flush, is the 25% refill worth it in people opinions? this is mostly preventative my girl shifts pretty good but has 143k now and i dont know if its even been changed out (whether only 3 quarts or w.e...?)
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I'm curious to see if anyone has used the Valvoline MaxLife ATF on their 03-04's that calls for T-IV fluid. The SDS for the MaxLife shows that it is very similar to WS in terms of viscosity but I'd be hesitant to use it as a T-IV replacement since it is more viscous along with Toyota claiming that WS is not backwards compatible with T-IV. I wonder how Valvoline pulled that one off...
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how come the dealer can only get to 3 out of 13 quarts for the $97 drain and fill? if i dont plan to do this easy peasy change, and not planning to flush, is the 25% refill worth it in people opinions? this is mostly preventative my girl shifts pretty good but has 143k now and i dont know if its even been changed out (whether only 3 quarts or w.e...?)
a drain & fill, which is likely what the $97 service at the dealer is, is only draining whats in the pan, about 3 qts. the rest of the fluid is inside the passages of the trans & the big torque converter. but changing out 3 qts is better than none & does replensih the additives some. then do it again in a few thousand miles to have almost 50% new fluid in there.

i dont think $97 is worth it or a good deal, the dealer will charge close to $10/qt for WS, the rest is labor & will only take them 15 minutes to do it. if you've ever changed your own oil you should be able to do a drain & fill, worst part is refilling the trans but that just takes $2 worth of clear hose & a funnel, or a $6 hand pump & about 20-30 minutes time total.

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I'm curious to see if anyone has used the Valvoline MaxLife ATF on their 03-04's that calls for T-IV fluid. The SDS for the MaxLife shows that it is very similar to WS in terms of viscosity but I'd be hesitant to use it as a T-IV replacement since it is more viscous along with Toyota claiming that WS is not backwards compatible with T-IV. I wonder how Valvoline pulled that one off...
i have read about many people using it for T-IV... it is rated for that on the bottle too & gets just as good of reviews as using it for WS. post a new thread asking for reviews or do a search, im sure there are pleanty.

valvoline & many other companies have multi vehicle fluids & are able to because they design them that way from the beginning. toyota does not, they have another company make a specific fluid for specific cars & years etc.

its not valvoline pulling anything off, its almost every major oil company out there that has scientists & engineers that study & design lubrication fluids, & even non major companies, walmart has a very good multi vehicle fluid that is WS & T-IV rated too.

viscosity is just one part of the fluid, just like engine oil, a higher quality usually synthetic can be thinner or thicker than a normal oil & perform just as good or better. for example, a high horsepower v8 engine that calls for a 10/40 weight oil can easily use a high quality synthetic 20/50 that will flow as good as a conventional 10/40 & has better cold pour ratings. also a thinner higher quality 10/30 will also still work fine, just maybe have a little lower oil psi, but because its thinner it will get in & out of the bearings better & cool better. point being, just because maxlife is a little thinner or thicker viscosity rating does not mean it wont work perfectly well in the trans while in operation.

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Dude you are a Rock Star. This worked like a champ and now it shifts perfectly and goes into 4Hi and 4low 5 times faster.
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Dude you are a Rock Star. This worked like a champ and now it shifts perfectly and goes into 4Hi and 4low 5 times faster.
are you saying you used maxlife in the trans? thats great it shifts good... but maxlife in the trans will have no affect on 4l & 4h, that is controlled 100% by the transfer case, which uses a 75/90 gear lube.
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