Home Menu

Site Navigation


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 03-20-2019, 07:05 PM #1
thewaydown thewaydown is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Utah
Posts: 78
thewaydown is on a distinguished road
thewaydown thewaydown is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Utah
Posts: 78
thewaydown is on a distinguished road
Borescope pics. Head gasket failure?

In a previous post I mentioned I just purchased an 03 4.0 v6 a few days ago. The coolant in the reservoir was low, and upon checking at home with a combustion tester, realized that the coolant was low in the radiator (could not see any upon removing the cap). It passed the combustion test (used one of those fluid testers). Has no codes, normal idle on cold start. No film under oil cap, tranny fluid is clean. Haven't investigated for radiator/water pump leaks, but haven't seen anything noticeable. Decided to pull #6 and #4 spark plugs and put a borescope inside to check for coolant in the cylinders.

I am not familiar with HG leaks, or what a healthy cylinder looks like. I did, however, get a few pictures of the spark plug wells, and inside the cylinders. The wells were dirty at the bottom, and there was this greenish liquid about midway up the outside of both of the coil packs, it didn't smell like coolant, just smelled like combustion. #4 spark plug well looked dirtier than #6. The heck is all that gunk? It doesn't look like there is any liquid inside the cylinder, but the tops of the heads look a bit corroded/rusty? Like I said, I have no experience.

Here they are.

Borescope pics. Head gasket failure?-screenshot_20190320-165002_gallery-jpg

Borescope pics. Head gasket failure?-20190320_165254-jpg

Borescope pics. Head gasket failure?-screenshot_20190320-165014_gallery-jpg

Borescope pics. Head gasket failure?-screenshot_20190320-165029_gallery-jpg

Borescope pics. Head gasket failure?-screenshot_20190320-164949_gallery-jpg

Borescope pics. Head gasket failure?-screenshot_20190320-164739_gallery-jpg

Borescope pics. Head gasket failure?-20190320_165231-jpg

Borescope pics. Head gasket failure?-screenshot_20190320-164811_gallery-jpg

Last edited by thewaydown; 03-20-2019 at 07:09 PM.
thewaydown is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-20-2019, 07:58 PM #2
AuSeeker AuSeeker is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 4,644
Real Name: Skip
AuSeeker has a brilliant future AuSeeker has a brilliant future AuSeeker has a brilliant future AuSeeker has a brilliant future AuSeeker has a brilliant future AuSeeker has a brilliant future AuSeeker has a brilliant future AuSeeker has a brilliant future AuSeeker has a brilliant future AuSeeker has a brilliant future AuSeeker has a brilliant future
AuSeeker AuSeeker is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 4,644
Real Name: Skip
AuSeeker has a brilliant future AuSeeker has a brilliant future AuSeeker has a brilliant future AuSeeker has a brilliant future AuSeeker has a brilliant future AuSeeker has a brilliant future AuSeeker has a brilliant future AuSeeker has a brilliant future AuSeeker has a brilliant future AuSeeker has a brilliant future AuSeeker has a brilliant future
The spark plug hole photos wouldn't have any indication of head gasket failure, what I see in those photos is just a bit of a small possible oil leak from where the tube seals inside the valve covers.

The other photos of the top of the pistons dosen't seem show any coolant on the pistons, which is what you would be looking for as one possible indication of the V6 head gaskets failing.

To follow up I would test the coolant for any exhaust gases contamination, which is a tell tale sign of head gasket failure for the V6, if you find no contamination in the coolant I would say the gasket are still holding up at this point.
__________________
2004 Limited V8
AuSeeker is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-20-2019, 08:32 PM #3
cjimen31 cjimen31 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Van Nuys
Posts: 13
cjimen31 is on a distinguished road
cjimen31 cjimen31 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Van Nuys
Posts: 13
cjimen31 is on a distinguished road
Most common issue is misfire upon cold starts because coolant pools in the combustion chamber over night. Might want to pull all the spark plugs out, get a cooling system pressure tester and apply about 15-18psi to the cooling system and let it sit like that over night. In the morning bore scope the cylinders and see if any of them have coolant pooling in them
cjimen31 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-20-2019, 09:09 PM #4
Seymore Butts's Avatar
Seymore Butts Seymore Butts is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Colorado
Posts: 416
Seymore Butts will become famous soon enough Seymore Butts will become famous soon enough
Seymore Butts Seymore Butts is offline
Member
Seymore Butts's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Colorado
Posts: 416
Seymore Butts will become famous soon enough Seymore Butts will become famous soon enough
All the photos of head gasket failures that I've seen had nice clean carbon-free pistons because water cleans out the carbon. I think you should flush the system and put the proper Toyota pink coolant in there and watch for leaks.
Seymore Butts is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-21-2019, 08:36 AM #5
Sarge Sarge is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Ohio, Illinois
Posts: 55
Sarge is on a distinguished road
Sarge Sarge is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Ohio, Illinois
Posts: 55
Sarge is on a distinguished road
Agreed on the above - head gasket failures that allow coolant into a cylinder will create a steam blast that will clean pistons to an almost new looking condition. If you find a cylinder that is super clean - there is your leak. I used to have to shut the lights off in the shop and use mirrors to see down into the cylinders to verify suspected head gasket leaks. Now, a simple and cheap USB camera will give a decent picture of the guts inside with no more than simply removing the spark plugs and dropping these tiny devices down inside for a look. Wish we had half this technology back in those days - but then again, vehicles were also a whole simpler.

Sarge
__________________
2003 4Runner Limited V8
Sarge is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-21-2019, 11:57 AM #6
Trumpet Trumpet is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 406
Trumpet will become famous soon enough Trumpet will become famous soon enough
Trumpet Trumpet is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 406
Trumpet will become famous soon enough Trumpet will become famous soon enough
If you're missing coolant, have you checked the radiator end caps for leakage?

Might even notice that the inside lower corners of the bash plate are moist from the lower end cap corners leaking.

Both my 4runners developed radiator leaks around 105K miles.
__________________
2007 SR5 V6 long live the kingfish !
2009 SR5 V6 ---RIP
Trumpet is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-21-2019, 02:18 PM #7
djpope09 djpope09 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Washington
Posts: 264
djpope09 will become famous soon enough
djpope09 djpope09 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Washington
Posts: 264
djpope09 will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by cjimen31 View Post
Most common issue is misfire upon cold starts because coolant pools in the combustion chamber over night. Might want to pull all the spark plugs out, get a cooling system pressure tester and apply about 15-18psi to the cooling system and let it sit like that over night. In the morning bore scope the cylinders and see if any of them have coolant pooling in them
Agreed. If you're losing coolant and think it's a headgasket leak, then the engine should be misfiring at startup. The pressure tester would be a good way to diagnose the problem.
djpope09 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-22-2019, 04:09 AM #8
Benny123's Avatar
Benny123 Benny123 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 47
Benny123 is on a distinguished road
Benny123 Benny123 is offline
Member
Benny123's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 47
Benny123 is on a distinguished road
Ues pressure test is the only way to do it. Needs to be done overnight and up to 24 hours to be sure. That said, may be your water pump, a hose or the radiator causing low coolant.
Benny123 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-22-2019, 02:50 PM #9
Benny123's Avatar
Benny123 Benny123 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 47
Benny123 is on a distinguished road
Benny123 Benny123 is offline
Member
Benny123's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 47
Benny123 is on a distinguished road
@thewaydown . Look very closely at the drivers side lower edge of the radiator, near the petcock. Mine had a very slow leak there. You can see the drips. I posted about it here recently.
Benny123 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-22-2019, 03:05 PM #10
thewaydown thewaydown is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Utah
Posts: 78
thewaydown is on a distinguished road
thewaydown thewaydown is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Utah
Posts: 78
thewaydown is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by AuSeeker View Post
The spark plug hole photos wouldn't have any indication of head gasket failure, what I see in those photos is just a bit of a small possible oil leak from where the tube seals inside the valve covers.

The other photos of the top of the pistons dosen't seem show any coolant on the pistons, which is what you would be looking for as one possible indication of the V6 head gaskets failing.

To follow up I would test the coolant for any exhaust gases contamination, which is a tell tale sign of head gasket failure for the V6, if you find no contamination in the coolant I would say the gasket are still holding up at this point.
That makes sense. Maybe I should see about replacing the valve cover gasket.

I actually tested the coolant with a combustion gas tester and it passed. Gave me a little peace of mind, but i'm still a little uneasy, haha.
thewaydown is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-22-2019, 03:05 PM #11
thewaydown thewaydown is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Utah
Posts: 78
thewaydown is on a distinguished road
thewaydown thewaydown is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Utah
Posts: 78
thewaydown is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny123 View Post
@thewaydown . Look very closely at the drivers side lower edge of the radiator, near the petcock. Mine had a very slow leak there. You can see the drips. I posted about it here recently.
very helpful. I'll be checking this asap.
thewaydown is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-22-2019, 03:09 PM #12
thewaydown thewaydown is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Utah
Posts: 78
thewaydown is on a distinguished road
thewaydown thewaydown is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Utah
Posts: 78
thewaydown is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by cjimen31 View Post
Most common issue is misfire upon cold starts because coolant pools in the combustion chamber over night. Might want to pull all the spark plugs out, get a cooling system pressure tester and apply about 15-18psi to the cooling system and let it sit like that over night. In the morning bore scope the cylinders and see if any of them have coolant pooling in them
Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny123 View Post
Ues pressure test is the only way to do it. Needs to be done overnight and up to 24 hours to be sure. That said, may be your water pump, a hose or the radiator causing low coolant.

I know this is a great way to test, but i've been weary about doing it. Would applying pressure to the system and leaving it over night cause/worsen any problems that didn't already exist?
thewaydown is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-23-2019, 11:05 PM #13
fullerj1 fullerj1 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Dallas TX
Posts: 19
fullerj1 is on a distinguished road
fullerj1 fullerj1 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Dallas TX
Posts: 19
fullerj1 is on a distinguished road
I also recommend the pressure test overnight, it’s a common practice at the toyota dealer as well. Keep it at the radiator cap specification and you’ll be fine.
fullerj1 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-25-2019, 08:46 AM #14
waypoint's Avatar
waypoint waypoint is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 553
waypoint has a spectacular aura about waypoint has a spectacular aura about waypoint has a spectacular aura about
waypoint waypoint is offline
Member
waypoint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 553
waypoint has a spectacular aura about waypoint has a spectacular aura about waypoint has a spectacular aura about
Advance Auto usually has a very nice cooling system pressure tester kit in their loaner tool program. Ensure your cooling system is completely full before testing...don't want air as it is compressible. As stated above, pump it up to the cap's rated pressure and watch it for a few minutes to verify pressure doesn't drop off. If it does drop off, reapply pressure and start inspecting for fresh coolant leaks including the combustion chambers, radiator end tanks, and hose connections. If you're losing pressure but can't find the source, UV dye and a black light can help.
waypoint is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-26-2019, 06:50 PM #15
thewaydown thewaydown is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Utah
Posts: 78
thewaydown is on a distinguished road
thewaydown thewaydown is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Utah
Posts: 78
thewaydown is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by cjimen31 View Post
Most common issue is misfire upon cold starts because coolant pools in the combustion chamber over night. Might want to pull all the spark plugs out, get a cooling system pressure tester and apply about 15-18psi to the cooling system and let it sit like that over night. In the morning bore scope the cylinders and see if any of them have coolant pooling in them
I'm going to be doing this tonight. Just want to clarify that I should take the spark plugs out, and leave them out while the pressure tester is loaded over night?
thewaydown is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply

Tags
borescope , coolant , fluid , inside , liquid


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Head gasket failure on the V8? bergs 4th Gen T4Rs 27 11-08-2018 11:12 PM
tell tale signs of head gasket failure and stop leak baja1 3rd gen T4Rs 12 02-25-2017 08:47 PM
Few questions about head gasket failure / overheating issues tournique-cheese 3rd gen T4Rs 11 11-01-2016 05:22 PM
Can you preemptively diagnose a V6 head gasket failure? fdbyrne 4th Gen T4Rs 3 01-29-2015 08:59 PM
Bad head gasket pics supra6m Classic T4Rs 0 03-17-2013 10:29 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:08 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
***This site is an unofficial Toyota site, and is not officially endorsed, supported, authorized by or affiliated with Toyota. All company, product, or service names references in this web site are used for identification purposes only and may be trademarks of their respective owners. The Toyota name, marks, designs and logos, as well as Toyota model names, are registered trademarks of Toyota Motor Corporation***Ad Management plugin by RedTyger
 
Copyright © 2020