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Old 06-05-2019, 12:44 PM #16
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I changed mine, After looking at the fluid being completely black I couldn't just leave it like that. Also, I have had the trans temp light come on a few times and as I understand it, the fluid loses its efficiency once its burned.
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I drain and fill on every oil change. The "don't fix it if it isn't broke" works great until it breaks. ATF has a lifespan like any fluid, and if it goes to shit the side effect is wrecking your transmission.
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You keep moving parts lubricated to PREVENT wear/problems, you don't lubricate parts to fix wear/problems.
It's illogical to wait until the transmission starts to slip to replace the fluid, the same way you don't wait for your engine to start knocking before changing the oil. Damage has already been done at that point.
like i said - i am most likely going to do this to mine and was somewhat ruffling feathers because obvious if it isnt broken dont fix it can lead to some serious neglect. then again in life i do believe that if you spend too much time preventing future problems, you can actually create them. ironically if a handful of my peers could tell you how i treat my cars they would tell you as if i have OCD, so im kind of all over the place, for instance, my truck has seldom been over 2000 rpm haha, maybe once or twice in the 6 mos i have owned it.

all of the 4th gen transmissions are suggested as lifetime though, right? the gear oil i definitely plan on doing at some point, not positive on tranny yet. i dont tow but i wheel often...

with the OP's mileage and if there are any symptoms of anything, id service it.
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no symptoms right now, no dash lights. i'll most likely get a full replacement, rather than just the pan several times over. was mostly interested in anyone getting it done for the first time with 200k +/- and results.
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According to a 4th Gen 4Runner Scheduled Maintenance Guide, the transmission fluid should be first inspected at 30,000 miles, then again at 60,000 miles.

If you use your 4Runner for towing, under the Special Operating Conditions it is recommended to replace the transmission fluid at 60,000 miles.

Next inspection of the transmission fluid is at 90,000 miles, then again at 120,000 miles. Transmission fluid replacement (under SOC) is recommended at 120,000 miles.

Here is a link to a video explaining when you should change your transmission fluid, answering whether or not changing your transmission fluid could damage your transmission, and whether or not to change or flush the transmission fluid.

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And this link to a video outlining the steps to actually change (not flush) the transmission fluid.

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I would recommend it. To each their own but I had an '05 that had 193k miles on it and had never done any transmission servicing at all. I did a drain and fill myself and never had an issue with it. It's just a good peace of mind that you're getting new fluid in there. However, do NOT do a flush...ONLY a drain and fill. Doing a flush at that mileage is where people start to see issues. I would make it known to the dealership you're only looking for a drain and fill and not a flush.

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I have 220k on my 2008 Sport Edition. I have never experienced a problem with drive train until lately. Not sure if it is a transmission, drive shaft or transfer case issue. Has anyone experienced the following

My 4wd binded up in LO and I could not even drive it. I parked and waited about 10 mins and the 4wd finally released. Since then I have noticed a vibration almost like driving over a washboard. It only happens at low acceleration and low rpms and only lasts about 5 seconds. Currently it shifts in and out of 2H, 4H, 4L and locks the differential with ease. I am starting to get worried because this issue is getting worse. Any help is greatly appreciated.

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First thing I would suggest is lubing all of the drive shaft zerks, front and rear, unless you know that's been done recently.

Also, it would help knowing if your truck is a V6 or V8, and the specific conditions under which the vibration occurs (2wd/4wd, center diff unlocked/locked, dry pavement vs gravel, actual speed, accelerating vs coasting, etc?)
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thx for the video links! i'll try to get a fluid sample when the job is done.
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I would recommend it. To each their own but I had an '05 that had 193k miles on it and had never done any transmission servicing at all. I did a drain and fill myself and never had an issue with it. It's just a good peace of mind that you're getting new fluid in there. However, do NOT do a flush...ONLY a drain and fill. Doing a flush at that mileage is where people start to see issues. I would make it known to the dealership you're only looking for a drain and fill and not a flush.

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i assume you mean a full exchange vs. a forced flush. if just a pan exchange i would do that myself.
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According to a 4th Gen 4Runner Scheduled Maintenance Guide, the transmission fluid should be first inspected at 30,000 miles, then again at 60,000 miles.

If you use your 4Runner for towing, under the Special Operating Conditions it is recommended to replace the transmission fluid at 60,000 miles.

Next inspection of the transmission fluid is at 90,000 miles, then again at 120,000 miles. Transmission fluid replacement (under SOC) is recommended at 120,000 miles.

Here is a link to a video explaining when you should change your transmission fluid, answering whether or not changing your transmission fluid could damage your transmission, and whether or not to change or flush the transmission fluid.

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And this link to a video outlining the steps to actually change (not flush) the transmission fluid.

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Does that document have instructions on how to inspect the fluid in a sealed system?
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Does that document have instructions on how to inspect the fluid in a sealed system?
The Scheduled Maintenance Guide is a supplement to the Owner's Manual, and should be in your glovebox. I'm pretty sure that it does not give specifics as to how to check the transmission fluid.

Here are some threads:

Just how does one check the transmission fluid?

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The Scheduled Maintenance Guide is a supplement to the Owner's Manual, and should be in your glovebox. I'm pretty sure that it does not give specifics as to how to check the transmission fluid.

Here are some threads:

Just how does one check the transmission fluid?

T4R Transmission Fluid Servicing (sealed & non-sealed)
Thanks, I know the procedure to check the fluid level but “inspect” implies more of a check on the fluid’s condition. My question was more ironic than serious regarding Toyota suggesting that fluid in a sealed system can be inspected.
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Thanks, I know the procedure to check the fluid level but “inspect” implies more of a check on the fluid’s condition. My question was more ironic than serious regarding Toyota suggesting that fluid in a sealed system can be inspected.
It wouldn't be very hard to inspect the fluid, just loosen the drain plug a bit until some of the fluid seeps out, catch a little bit in a drain pan and check it.
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My wife took her Toyota Venza in to Jiffy Lube for an oil change at 60k miles. They told her the trans oil needed to be flushed and changed. It also has a sealed trans. She said OK.

A couple of weeks later she told me what they had done. I told her they ripped her off and it shouldn't ever have been changed. I was so angry at them. I went over there and asked if they had at least used Toyota recommended trans fluid and they said they had. It really pissed me off, but there wasn't much I could do since she approved it. I did make it clear that if there was a trans problem we would be suing them. Since my wife is a trial attorney she would just sue them herself.

She told me to take care of the maintenance scheduling of the vehicle myself from now one since she doesn't know anything about it. Since our schedules are so confined it isn't usually realistic to change things myself, but I provide her the Toyota filter and schedule the maintenance to be done by someone I know and trust who doesn't charge a lot either. I really do think Toyota sealed these trans in order to prevent people from getting crap put into their trans by scammers, but unfortunately, they still scam.
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