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Old 08-16-2019, 12:06 AM #16
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if i had the time and paitence, i would of do a spray on liquid deadener over the sound deadener, that should add another layer of treatment.
Spectrum Sludge Deadener: Sound Dampening Liquid - Second Skin Audio

let us know how your results turned out. i wouldnt spent my time in the engine bay. it just me.
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if i had the time and paitence, i would of do a spray on liquid deadener over the sound deadener, that should add another layer of treatment.
Spectrum Sludge Deadener: Sound Dampening Liquid - Second Skin Audio

let us know how your results turned out. i wouldnt spent my time in the engine bay. it just me.

Others have said the same, but based on my results, the wheel wells are major sources of noise. They’re essentially bare sheet metal with tires spinning who know how fast inside so it stands to reason that treating them will help. I was very pleasantly surprised at how much quieter it was today now that both fronts are done.

The best thing about listening to music now is how much more mid-range detail is audible.

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Nice! I'd considered doing something similar when I gutted mine again to redo the system last year but never got around to it. Would've been curious to see the actual db drop but perception is reality in most of these cases anyway (avoiding getting into the whole sound deadening vs panel resonance reduction of cld, this isn't DIYMA afterall lol)...especially since this isn't too expensive/time consuming to go ahead and do the wheel wells once you've already committed.

How do you like the Noico Green CCF? I used Noico 80mil myself and was surprised at how good it went on and seemed to be legit butyl to boot.
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Nice! I'd considered doing something similar when I gutted mine again to redo the system last year but never got around to it. Would've been curious to see the actual db drop but perception is reality in most of these cases anyway (avoiding getting into the whole sound deadening vs panel resonance reduction of cld, this isn't DIYMA afterall lol)...especially since this isn't too expensive/time consuming to go ahead and do the wheel wells once you've already committed.

How do you like the Noico Green CCF? I used Noico 80mil myself and was surprised at how good it went on and seemed to be legit butyl to boot.

100% satisfied with the value, ease of use, and effectiveness of both the 80 mil butyl & Noico green foam.

You’re right about perception as being part of how you personally measure the results. It depends on variables such as installed equipment (A/T tires for instance) and even the state of your hearing (I have tinnitus & other effects from jet engine exposure, but the results I’ve described are relative to before adding deadener so that only affects my perception overall, not the product’s effectiveness).

I also strongly believe that every little bit helps. For example, on its own, doing the A-pillars is hardly worthwhile, but as part of an overall strategy, that fraction of a decibel adds up. To take a business example, what’s a single cherry tomato worth? But years ago, an American Airlines flight attendant suggested removing them from salads b/c people seldom ate them. The company listened and the annual savings was $100K+ (at the time, AA operated over 4,000 daily flights). She got a nice chunk of that too through the company’s IdeAAs in Action program.

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This series of posts explains my approach to sound deadening my truck, what I’ve done and plan to do, and results/observations to date.

Disclaimer: I understand that there are many opinions on how best to go about sound deadening. I did a lot of research before deciding how to proceed. Please take whatever info you find useful here and discard the rest.

Philosophy: I feel like layers between sound and occupants is key to a quiet cabin along with addressing noise close to the source, so I used leftover material to do places some people may ignore, for example the underside of the A-pillars, door sills, and kick panels, and inside the glove box. It’s not hard; I just take the panel, the foam material & maybe a small butyl piece for rattle dampening, and some scissors into the house and do it while I watch TV. Why? Because IMO, every fraction of a decibel makes a difference.

That’s also why I am doing the wheel wells. More on that in a later post.

Materials (from Amazon)
Noico 80 mil butyl deadener & Noico Green foam insulation. Very pleased with the effectiveness & value.

General Advice
- This is tedious work. Bring your patience.

- Metallic HVAC or dryer vent tape with a peel-off adhesive back is outstanding for covering seams such as around the panels covering the large door openings. I originally bought it for installing a dryer vent pipe but it’s perfect for this use as well.

- A short piece of PVC pipe makes an excellent flattening tool.



Doors
Most people agree that doing the doors gives the best bang for the buck if you don’t plan to do the entire interior. This was the first thing I did, with a full coverage layer of butyl & foam on both the inner & outer panels. I used a leftover plastic honeycomb yard sign to cut covers for the large openings & attached them with the tape I mentioned. This is just before adding the butyl layer to the inner front door panel.



Butyl layer on the inner rear door panel:



Important: stay within the “sunken” area and away from the fastener holes, otherwise the trim panel may not go back on.

Final layer on. Ended up having to trim a bit of it from the raised edge areas to get the trim to fit properly.



Door results: We have to start with the understanding that a 4Runner is never going to be luxury car quiet. With that said, there were two significant and complementary outcomes after finishing the doors. First, there was a noticeable lessening of noise, particularly in the frequency range that makes conversation in the car easier to hear and understand, so that’s a bonus. Second, as many have mentioned, the door treatment really maximizes speaker performance. Those two things taken together make doing the doors absolutely worthwhile.

My next post will cover the process and results of doing the rear wheel wells.
Can you tell me if a single order (from Amazon) of the Noico butyl and green foam is enough to do all four doors? Thanks!
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