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Old 12-07-2019, 05:59 PM #16
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I come bearing...pictures!

First thing I noticed after getting the LCA bolts out, the size in the cam bolts:

Nut size for OEM; 19mm
Nut size for Superpro; 1"







Luckily I had a 1" wrench laying around!

Didn't take a picture from the front with OEM LCA's on both sides but did notice this when I was rotating sides. First picture is the Superpro LCA but it seems the angle of the coil and shock is less than OEM, 2nd picture. Maybe I'm just crazy..






Here's my beautiful OEM bushings and balljoint (nice big ol tear in the middle), glad to knock this off the list.








Still need to head to the alignment shop, just got wrapped up.
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I'm really surprised the OEM LCA bushings last as long as they do since any movement of LCA is just twisting the rubber back and forth rather than rotating on the shafts. Should be designed like a swingarm on a motorcycle, that would greatly improve suspension ride and feel.
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At first looking at these i was thinking... cool ideal. Off center bushing. More adjustable...may just confuse the alignment guys more.
After checking them out more it seems like they add camber, which is not ussually the problem, getting more caster seems to be the issue.
The more you lift the less caster you can get into the OEM system.
Less caster means more road way input...ruts/cross winds.
More caster it tracks straighter with less driver input.
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Iím just building my own LCAs. Iíll post up pictures after weíre done everything.


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So how did the alignment turn out?
I guess with how the caster and camber is interrelated it may indeed give move overall caster?

If i come off sounding like i know whats what...i am just hobby grade.
Didnt mean to rain on your thread, Wozzy.
The price killed it for me, seems like it would be better to do OEM at that price point.
Different UCAs if you need more caster, plus more droop over stock UCAs with aftermarket UCAs.
Can get a $56 LCA off RockAuto...
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I come bearing...pictures!

First thing I noticed after getting the LCA bolts out, the size in the cam bolts:

Nut size for OEM; 19mm
Nut size for Superpro; 1"







Luckily I had a 1" wrench laying around!
With SPC being the only other supplier of Cam bolts that I've been able to find, those bolts are monsters by comparison. The OEM bolts are notorious for freezing up at the first sign of trouble, while the SPC strip out their weeny little keyed hole they use to align.

See metal tech's image here: Toyota Alignment Cam Bolts | Camber Bolt Kit | Metal Tech 4x4

They appear to be worth it for the bolts... the camber plate and bolts themselves are one piece. Pretty rad units. If they thought of that for an improvement I'd suspect they've incorporated other improvements to the LCA?
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Without further ado, our measurements!



My mods:
SuperPro LCA
STOCK UCA
Bilstien 5100
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275/65/18 (32") BFG KO2 E
Proforged Inner Tie Rod/TRW Outter Tie Rod
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I think you made a good choice. I watched a 20+ min video on their bushing design and was very impressive. Gives you the free movement of LCA (and UCA) that one would want for smooth suspension reaction.

Please let us know how your ride is.
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With SPC being the only other supplier of Cam bolts that I've been able to find, those bolts are monsters by comparison. The OEM bolts are notorious for freezing up at the first sign of trouble, while the SPC strip out their weeny little keyed hole they use to align.

See metal tech's image here: Toyota Alignment Cam Bolts | Camber Bolt Kit | Metal Tech 4x4

They appear to be worth it for the bolts... the camber plate and bolts themselves are one piece. Pretty rad units. If they thought of that for an improvement I'd suspect they've incorporated other improvements to the LCA?
Not totally true.

Febest has these alignment parts available that match OEM, made of class 10.9 material, and are cheaper than OEM. Have them on my truck, and they're great.

New LCA Cam Bolt options!
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I think you made a good choice. I watched a 20+ min video on their bushing design and was very impressive. Gives you the free movement of LCA (and UCA) that one would want for smooth suspension reaction.

Please let us know how your ride is.
As far as turning and drive ability, it feels great! I foresee SuperPro getting some more business with these LCAs now that we can finally see what the alignment specs are on a mildly lifted vehicle, would be even better with an aftermarket UCA I'm sure. Like you mentioned, the hardware alone is MUCH beefier than OEM.
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If I were to opt for new LCA's I would definitely go with these SuperPros.
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Anyone know somewhere in the USA that might have these in stock? Vivid Racing doesn't. I don't see many other suppliers here.

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Anyone know somewhere in the USA that might have these in stock? Vivid Racing doesn't. I don't see many other suppliers here.

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Try Apache Offroad, I know they're carrying them.
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At first looking at these i was thinking... cool ideal. Off center bushing. More adjustable...may just confuse the alignment guys more.
After checking them out more it seems like they add camber, which is not ussually the problem, getting more caster seems to be the issue.
The more you lift the less caster you can get into the OEM system.
Less caster means more road way input...ruts/cross winds.
More caster it tracks straighter with less driver input.
Is there such thing as too much caster? I was able to get 4.7 and 4.9 caster with JBA High Caster UCA and stock LCA. My alignment paper says "Specified Range" is 2.5-4.0. I'm running bilstein 6112s at max height so that's roughly 2.5" lift?

It's taking sometime getting used to my new caster settings. I have to give more effort to correct any cross wind or wide curves on the highway.

I'm probably going to need new LCA someday. I'm on my stock ones at 250k. The alignment tech said the bushings are stiff and starting to crack but there is no unwanted movement yet in the LCA.
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Thanks, guys.

I originally ordered from Vivid Racing, and they contacted me to let me now that they're out of stock and weeks out of Australia, so I canceled that order.

I contacted Apache, and initially they said they were out of stock. He called me back about 10 minutes later and told me that there is one set left in stock.

So far great customer service from Apache Offroad!

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