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Here are my findings during todays spark plug change.
What can you report from these findings and or suggest?
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It ran smooth with the old ngk plugs - gap at pull was .040, did notice one at .041...forgot cylinder. ( but I noticed it had hesitation during hard acceleration, just seemed weak.
After putting the Denso plugs in ( gapped them at .043 per manual) it runs very smooth, quiet idle, hard acceleration is excellent, very responsive and runs great now.
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Remove valve cover bolts and inspect/ replace gasket?
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12-09-2019, 11:57 PM
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There are round gaskets for each plug tube that seal between the head and the valve cover. If you're going to tear off the valve covers, might as well change those gaskets too, usually come in sets. Don't forget the crush washers for the cover bolts
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12-11-2019, 06:35 AM
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There are round gaskets for each plug tube that seal between the head and the valve cover. If you're going to tear off the valve covers, might as well change those gaskets too, usually come in sets. Don't forget the crush washers for the cover bolts
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Yeah I agree on changing all the gaskets. I didn't know there were crush washers for the valve cover bolts, first time hearing about that on this subject. I think I may have even noticed some black sealant under the valve cover bolts on mine if I remember correctly. I'll have to take a look.
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Here are my findings during todays spark plug change.
What can you report from these findings and or suggest?
@ BlackWorksInc
And everyone else too!
It ran smooth with the old ngk plugs - gap at pull was .040, did notice one at .041...forgot cylinder. ( but I noticed it had hesitation during hard acceleration, just seemed weak.
After putting the Denso plugs in ( gapped them at .043 per manual) it runs very smooth, quiet idle, hard acceleration is excellent, very responsive and runs great now.
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At this time I'm not even close to being ready or prepared mentally to take on valve cover gasket replacement.
Due to the small amount of oil found I decided to check the PCV valve and see it's condition. I figured replacing it with a brand new one would help with relieving a bit of pressure on the gaskets giving me some more time before having to remove the covers and replace the gaskets. There was a big difference in the old pcv and the new one so I went ahead and replaced it. Guess I'll check the plugs in another 7000k or sooner if I sense any issues. 7k. make fun of the new guy...I get it!
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... Guess I'll check the plugs in another 7000k or sooner if I sense any issues.
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7,000,000 miles might be a little stretched out for a regular maintenance interval, but we all know what you mean
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Yeah I agree on changing all the gaskets. I didn't know there were crush washers for the valve cover bolts, first time hearing about that on this subject. I think I may have even noticed some black sealant under the valve cover bolts on mine if I remember correctly. I'll have to take a look.
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That's them. They are washers with a rubber coating, the squish down when you tighten them. Also, it's an aluminum valve cover so don't crank them down super tight. Go with the recommended torque spec
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7,000,000 miles might be a little stretched out for a regular maintenance interval, but we all know what you mean
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Lol....see...told ya I wasn't ready to touch those covers yet!
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12-11-2019, 12:21 PM
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Lol....see...told ya I wasn't ready to touch those covers yet!
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Lol, it's really not that hard once you get the intake removed. Just a lot of plugs and little wires to watch out for. You'd want to make sure everything is clean before taking them off. Then you get to see all the muck in your intake ports and the condition of your timing chain and valves. Pretty satisfying job when it's all done and back together
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Lol, it's really not that hard once you get the intake removed. Just a lot of plugs and little wires to watch out for. You'd want to make sure everything is clean before taking them off. Then you get to see all the muck in your intake ports and the condition of your timing chain and valves. Pretty satisfying job when it's all done and back together.
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I can imagine how satisfying it is when all finished, I can also imagine how paranoid I'd be wondering what I may have done wrong, missed something, tightened a bolt too much, tightened the covers on with my cat in there, etc.
I over think things and I'm still wondering if I tightened my pcv valve too much or my plugs etc. Everyone I hear says be careful it's aluminum! I mean dang it may be aluminum but it's not that weak...is it? Lol. It feels like the dang engine is made out of cardboard the way everyone speaks about being careful...just be careful...it's really driving me crazy in these forums for sure!
Maybe Ill stop tinkering for a bit and try cleaning my engine without causing a disaster.
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I can imagine how satisfying it is when all finished, I can also imagine how paranoid I'd be wondering what I may have done wrong, missed something, tightened a bolt too much, tightened the covers on with my cat in there, etc.
I over think things and I'm still wondering if I tightened my pcv valve too much or my plugs etc. Everyone I hear says be careful it's aluminum! I mean dang it may be aluminum but it's not that weak...is it? Lol. It feels like the dang engine is made out of cardboard the way everyone speaks about being careful...just be careful...it's really driving me crazy in these forums for sure!
Maybe Ill stop tinkering for a bit and try cleaning my engine without causing a disaster.
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With aluminum is easy to strip the thread is why everyone cautions about over tightening the bolts, so it's important to use a torque wrench to tighten them correctly, with the smaller bolts in aluminum it's sorta important.
That all being said since you're not going to do the gasket soon it appears I would at least check the valve cover bolts for the correct tightness, if they're are not tightened correctly and they are loose it could be another reason why you're getting the leaks, most major auto part stores loan out tools for free, if you don't have a torque wrench to check them with, they do require a refundable deposit until you bring back the tool/s back, you will need a "inch lb." torque wrench not a "foot lb." torque wrench for the valve cover bolts.
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With aluminum is easy to strip the thread is why everyone cautions about over tightening the bolts, so it's important to use a torque wrench to tighten them correctly, with the smaller bolts in aluminum it's sorta important.
That all being said since you're not going to do the gasket soon it appears I would at least check the valve cover bolts for the correct tightness, if they're are not tightened correctly and they are loose it could be another reason why you're getting the leaks, most major auto part stores loan out tools for free, if you don't have a torque wrench to check them with, they do require a refundable deposit until you bring back the tool/s back, you will need a "inch lb." torque wrench not a "foot lb." torque wrench for the valve cover bolts.
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Good idea, I think I'll make that my next step. I'll check about that the loan tools. Thanks!
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Good idea, I think I'll make that my next step. I'll check about that the loan tools. Thanks!
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I took a nice look around the covers and it's clean as a whistle. No leaks anywhere outside.
I also loosened up the pcv valve a bit since I was worried I put it in too much. It's still tight and I'll periodically check it.
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I agree, it's your valve cover gasket not sealing enough on cylinder 2. since you are replacing the gasket anyway, just do both sides. don't overthink about it, just be a little more organized. you need to have a table big enough to put stuff in order so when assembling it back, you just follow the order in reverse. label it if you need to.
definitely use a torque wrench as much as you can.
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Just to put your mind at ease somewhat, aluminum as a metal for making engines is really not bad so long as it's designed for the stresses and tolerances it will experience throughout it's service life. The 1GR is fairly hearty in this respect, lots of engines now reporting 400k miles and up. The issue is where the metal is thin, like threading for example. Aluminum threads can be a little soft, so it's recommended that you only tighten to the recommended torque spec so you don't strip the threads out. This is true even outside of engines. I've had aluminum oil coolers on different pieces of equipment where the flange seals are bolted on and the aluminum threads fail because someone was a gorilla and cranked it down waiting for it to get tight and pop goes the threads. Sure, you can usually tap and install steel coil replacements in most cases, but you need to have enough metal surrounding the hole to be secure enough for that, not to mention other wonderful things that can occur when you get into that. Better to go with ounce of prevention (torque wrench) than pound of cure (costly repairs). Just my $.02
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