Originally Posted by gimlithepirate

I just want to apologize that quite literally my first thread that I started on this site devolved into a flame war -_-

Originally Posted by duffdog

Don't apologize for something that isn't your fault. I just went through this exact thing with a friends 4th gen. He was sure (based on some internet forum advise) that the 33" tires would fit. The tires definitely did not fit because they were the true measured size and even after the BMC they still did not fit because they rubbed on the actual frame with 0 offset rims. The BMC worked slightly, but only after a BMC, 3" suspension lift and a 1.5" body lift did the tires fit. And that is only without going over any bumps or turning while braking.



Some forums are useful, but this one is marginally useful sometimes because its full of people who attempt to gang up on others. Fortunately I am resistant to internet bullying and do not require popularity. Take my advise however you like.

Originally Posted by phatcheeks

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Originally Posted by duffdog

All I read was:

Waaaaaaah!!! I do a lame rally somewhere in the midwest and have a SAS car. Big whoop. Oh wait -- you lengthened a frame once!!! Holy crap, I've never heard of that in my entire life, especially not on any of the trucks that traverse trails in NorCal. You are right, you have the coolest 4x4 ever made and measuring tires is irrelevant because all tires are the same size even if they are an inch off.

Since you are into rallies - You may be interested to know that I won 1st place in Navigation for the Nevada Trophy in Dec 2019. And our teammate won 1st overall. Yes! - First Place in the most difficult and oldest off road rally in the USA. I would love to see you at the next Nevada Trophy rally. It would be fun to race against someone with so much misplaced confidence. I'm sure you think you already won as well!

In closing:

You were always wrong, your rally is lame and I would beat you at your own game without even trying. My full-exo 89 4runner twin-locked with custom hydrostatic transfer case is not actually scared of whatever fart-can POS truck that you think you can build. Its just really stupid to think that you can bully your way to being right by saying: "I'm the inventor of all off road rallies!!! and I have an SAS truck, so I'm right!!!" Also, I don't need gainful sponsorships for racing, I am into engineering and proving that well engineered systems beat experience every time. I proved that with my first place finish on my very first try at the most difficult US off road rally. I have no need to be a corporate shill like you as I am successful in other arenas of my life. This thread started with me attempting to remove confusion and ended with you trying to show off how cool you are in the most desperate fashion possible, by bragging about something that has nothing to do with why tire sizes (exact tire sizes) are important. Please, PLEASE -- post of a pic of the "obstacles" that you are referring to. I am dying to see them.

Originally Posted by gimlithepirate

I just want to apologize that quite literally my first thread that I started on this site devolved into a flame war -_-

Originally Posted by Porqupine82

I dont have an SAS truck. I have a truck that came with a solid axle, it's not a swap. Do you know ANYTHING about vehicle nomenclature? Anything?..

The whole intent of my reply was to establish the fallacy in your claim that everyones an idiot except you. Regardless of the races you've done, the thread is about tire size and it has devolved into someone named muffdog whipping his cock out to compare to everyone else's.

Furthermore you asked for pictures of the trails I've driven when I named the trails for you. Google them. For Gods sake just google.

So I'm not going to respond again if you reply because you are obviously one of the dumbest people I've ever spoken with. Instead I will leave you with the facts nobody is disputing except YOU:


You are not the "end all be all" of tire sizes.

A tire with a 33 inch diameter is a 33.

You're a dick.

You discount the opinion of individuals who the 4x4 community has deemed reputable and knowledgeable.


Reply if youd like but I'm done commenting to a re-tread like yourself.

Originally Posted by duffdog

Literally 60% of everyone I come into contact with (including you) is an idiot who is trying to fake it until someone who is actually talented catches them in the act. Not surprisingly, I don't agree with you because I am certain you are literally an uneducated slob who uses online forums to feel important and has zero engineering chops. You would never post dumb stuff like you have a $39 spring over conversion. Who does that??

A tire which does not have the numerals: "33" on the side is not a 33. By convention, when you order one of those tires at any shop in the United States including the one nearest you, the size you get is 33x12.5.x17 unless its a special order width or a metric size which are both different. In that case everything I posted about fitting a 33 is correct. You (and everyone else) who posts anything to the contrary is just 100% wrong.

You are right, I did type SAS by accident. The majority of my responses were baiting you. You failed, unsurprisingly.

I don't care if you think I am a dick. I can't hear you over my FIRST PLACE TROPHY.

Originally Posted by That_Titanium_4RNR

Not really wanting to get into it, but simply stating, when I bought 285/70R17 Falken Wildpeak AT3Ws before the Yokohamas I have now, it literally verbatim said (33) right on the side. Just like that, literally right on the sidewall next to the "metric equivalent" numbers. It's obviously not as wide as a 33x12.5x17 but it is the same height.

Besides all tires are slightly different sizes even in the 33x12.5x17 size range (see how I used the term "range"). If you took a 33x12.5x17 BFG KO2 and put it next to a 33x12.5x17 Nitto Open Country A/T (or any other A/T) I guarantee that there would be at least some variation in height or width. Same could be said even more-so if you were comparing a 33x12.5x17 MT like a Trail Grappler vs an AT of the "same size". Even though they both say 33x12.5x17 right on the side, there would be no possible way that they would be identical height and width as their counterpart.

Originally Posted by techno

I used to run 33x9.50R15 BFG muddies on my Patrol, then switched to 33x10.50R15. They still make the 10.50 in KO2. Super Swamper make a 33x13.50 LTB too I think.

Originally Posted by hinmo24t

Can you get Patrols in the US?? Im a fan

Originally Posted by That_Titanium_4RNR

33s will not fit without a BMC if you plan on doing actual offroading. I had bald falken wildpeaks in the 285/70R17 size with stock 5th gen trail edition wheels. They fit fine on road but I definitely could make them scrub if I tried hard enough. I also don't run a front sway bar so FWIW that may have had something to do with why mine scrubbed because I had more travel

Originally Posted by Benghazi757

I have a 2018 trd off road stock premium wheels 285/70/17 Toyo open country RT”rugged terrain” tires 6112 front 5100 rear and running stock UCA no rub on or off road