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Old 03-23-2020, 04:32 PM #16
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My 2nd Cousin is a nurse at NYU. Her and her husband are in the trenches and this was forwarded by his mother. I feel we have to inform everyone of proper info from people in the trenches. Please share, stay healthy and safe. Good luck to us.
PSA - The CLOCK RESETS...
My son and his wife in NYC have asked me to forward this to my network. He works in the biology department at Columbia U. and my daughter-in-law –a nurse - is now working in NYU Medical Center’s ICU taking care of COVID-19 patients. Both of them were ADAMANT that we not leave our house/yard for ANY reason, and that we ask others not to cross our property line, and not to pet other peoples’ dogs, cats, etc. (Pets can be a vector for the virus.) They said for us to act as IF we already had the virus, and that everyone else does, too. I know this sounds paranoid, but – as so many of our local health care providers are as well - Tara and Will are both on the front lines and I respect their judgment.
They were very clear that – due to the insidious nature of this pathogen, and all that we don’t know about it – know that if you go to the gas station – your 14 day clock RESETS. If you go to the grocery store, your 14-day clock RESETS. If you go to the post office – your 14-day clock RESETS. No exceptions. Even if you wear gloves and a mask. Try to get your groceries delivered, and left on your porch.
They said the ventilator shortage is real, and that doctors WILL need to make decisions as to who gets one and who doesn’t. So don’t expose yourself/the people you love unnecessarily, and let’s not overwhelm the system. Stay in touch via social media and the good ol’ fashioned phone. And don’t forget, if you come in contact with anyone outside of your own home – your 14-day clock RESETS.
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I got family on the front lines as well… I prefer not to say which hospital, but it’s in CA. She is only 1 of 2 people specialized in infectious diseases in the entire hospital and she said it’s getting pretty bad.

The shortages are real. Everyone is reusing masks. They are locking up N95 masks with the narcotics. I donated some of my own N95 supply which I bought 2 years ago for my own hobby work.

She said the flattening the curve is a real thing, it helps them a lot as it manages their workload/capacity.

We are all doing our part around here to self-quarantine. Mostly cooking and working from home… at this point I am glad to even be able to do that.

On a positive note... I've seen a lot of people in the community offering to help each other. Even if it's something as simple as a supplies or grocery run for the elderly to help them limit exposure.
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Here in Central Colorado, I work at one of the top/larger hospitals. My unit is the COVID-19 isolation/RO unit. We are using surgical masks, splash shields, yellow paper gowns and gloves for our patients. We only use N-95 masks for patients that recently received nebulizer treatments.

Laugh at the idiots wearing their surgical masks, house cleaning gloves, and woodshop goggles at the grocery stores who contaminate their vehicles and homes after they touch everything then take it all off lol.

The stores are still out of TP and canned foods, no shelter in place orders yet, but most all of our restaurants are closed or have new limited hours.

Our national parks are closing, and most tourist areas are closed as well.

We are estimated our peak for cases/hospital influx will be around April 11, and hopefully things will be cleared/settling down by mid June.

Stay safe and wash your freaking hands please.
Well, this is scary as hell. Are there any patients with Covid that have mild or no symptoms?
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Well, this is scary as hell. Are there any patients with Covid that have mild or no symptoms?
Yes, we have had 3-4 so far that have a mild cough and some fluid in the lungs similar to pneumonia. It seems that the super sick folks have some pretty severe co-morbidities.

The only deaths we have had thus far are just from those exacerbated co-morbidities and patients being in late-adulthood/geriatric (80+ years)

I have had approx. 120 hours of exposure time and have a compromised immune system from Type 1 Diabetes. Decent PPE and hand washing have kept me clean thus far!
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This virus doesn’t care about age. Its all about the immune system.

I heard about two people in their mid-30’s that were admitted today. One of which crashed at the hospital in short order and was put in the ICU. Both were young, but overweight.

Apparently many young people are not taking great care of themselves… obesity, sedentary lifestyles, poor diet, drugs and or alcohol. All of these things effect the immune system to be able to operate at its best.

It is predicted that we will see a lot more acute cases with youth as well. Really scary but realistic considering all the parting people kept doing. I don’t think it has spiked. I’m keeping myself indoors and keeping my fingers crossed people get their shit together.
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This virus doesn’t care about age. Its all about the immune system.

I heard about two people in their mid-30’s that were admitted today. One of which crashed at the hospital in short order and was put in the ICU. Both were young, but overweight.

Apparently many young people are not taking great care of themselves… obesity, sedentary lifestyles, poor diet, drugs and or alcohol. All of these things effect the immune system to be able to operate at its best.

It is predicted that we will see a lot more acute cases with youth as well. Really scary but realistic considering all the parting people kept doing. I don’t think it has spiked. I’m keeping myself indoors and keeping my fingers crossed people get their shit together.

NY Times ran this yesterday, I recommend to watch the video.

13 Deaths in a Day: An ‘Apocalyptic’ Coronavirus Surge at an N.Y.C. Hospital - The New York Times


Another effect this virus will have on hospital readiness, besides outright upending it, is that ANY other condition presented to the hospital during these times will also be aggressively triaged and in doing so it's expected that patients with non-cronoa related injuries (MVA's, gunshot wounds, various trauma) or other conditions will be at a much higher risk of death or infection themselves. We're about to see the complete oversaturation of the national hospital system.

Another factor some have forgot (or maybe didn't know) is the availability of ICU beds. Rural areas are going to get hit disproportionately harder because they have much less ICU beds per capita.
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Its not really that bad honestly. I had the virus when it first came out on the news that it was in Wuhan, China. Our company gets overnighted electronics from China all the time and nobody could figure out how I got so sick that I couldn't see within 1 day. This was because "Medical Professionals" were certain that the virus could not live on plastic for 24 hours at the time so there was definitely no way I had the virus...Unfortunately they were wrong about that. In my opinion the whole social distancing thing is just nothing more than those same medical professionals not having any idea what is going on at all. There isn't a cure, so if you are genetically unlucky, you will die. All the precautions, masks, hospitals and medical knowledge in the world are pretty much meaningless at this point.

I do understand why people with weakened immune systems need ventilators, if you are not strong enough to cough out your entire throat full of mucus out then you simply choke to death on your own fluids. If anyone is interested in how the virus works with science and not "news" or opinions from people with little to no relevant medical education here is link to the newest updated medical research document:

Features, Evaluation and Treatment Coronavirus (COVID-19) - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf
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Thanks for sharing. I won’t discount your personal experience. I don’t personally know someone who got it, or got it myself. That said, the consequence of being wrong are too great to take the risk. Both from a health and economic standpoint.

I do get unfiltered commentary from people I know dealing with the sick at hospitals. I think if you have some friends or family who are nurses you would probably show a little more compassion for what they themselves are dealing with at this current moment. These guys and gals are the first responders… social distancing is to ease their burden. I got a lot of family in healthcare and their sacrifice to protect others while putting their own people at risk is significant.

From a business standpoint, a large portion of my supply chain is global… with the bulk of it coming from China and Italy. I’ve been dealing with the supply-chain “freak out” well before the US ordered it’s shutdown. Our organization was already in soft quarantine a week before the US even announced the first “shelter in place” as we were gearing up staff to work from home and bumping up state-side inventory levels.

The Chinese factories are already back in production but our Italy factory (which is supporting essential business here in the states) says ALL production has been shut down until mid-April. These are companies that support construction and critical infrastructure projects like airports, government, defense, and hospitals. Italy got hit way harder than China… and the US is on track to exceed both of them combined.

3.3 Million have filled for unemployment... Entire organizations can cripple to the point of going out of business if the workforce is degraded. The economic impact can still be dire. I already know multiple people that have lost their jobs or “pay has been suspended until further notice”.

I feel the recent stock market bump is artificial and based off feelings. This stimulus is only going to go so far, if people can’t get back to work, if the cycle of sickness continues, if people can’t be bothered to care. I suspect the bottom will be tested again in the coming weeks.

We don’t think we have seen the sickness peak here yet… I honesty hope I am wrong… I rather eat my own words, but I’ll say it again… the consequence of being wrong are too great.

On a personal note… I can probably ride this out like you, but my concern is being an asymptomatic carrier. I have 4 elderly people in my life, 1 of which lives with me. My goal is to not be selfish in my needs which may put them at risk. On top of that, the wife has asthma and so does someone on my work team. Would be a pretty shitty feeling to expedite a death close to me.

Take it for what it worth, but my experiences at work started to shape our actions and response. To be honest I was trying to figure out why the US was sooo far behind in their response to this… I figured they had to have better more up-to-date information than most of us, and it looks like they did, because it appears some of them decided to sell off millions in stocks before updating the rest of the country.

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