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Old 04-03-2020, 05:19 PM #16
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I'd like to try it too but all there is in my area is racing fuel. Way too expensive.
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I’m glad I don’t live where ironshiek lives! I pay less than 3 bucks a gallon for ethanol free every fill up.
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The people who repair autos trucks and lawn mowers, they love the people who use "Ethanol" it gives them lots of work this means they make lots of money.

If we had gotten a Democrat in the white House we today would be seeing 25% "Ethanol" and we would not see any non "Ethanol" gas being sold anywhere in the United States.

And if we again have a Democrat in the white House in 2020, we will see it happen 25+% Ethanol sold and no non Ethanol anywhere.
What an inflammatory response to your own thread. If you want to get down to it the people benefitting from ethanol aren't auto techs (I am one by the way) it's the corn farmers. Funny you didn't mention them in your rant.... becuase it doesn't fit the mold of your agenda.
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What an inflammatory response to your own thread. If you want to get down to it the people benefitting from ethanol aren't auto techs (I am one by the way) it's the corn farmers. Funny you didn't mention them in your rant.... becuase it doesn't fit the mold of your agenda.
I was just making a general joke as to why someone would like people using the E15 junk, sure i know our Government is paying for the use of corn and the high cost of converting it for use as a fuel.

Any food item you buy that uses corn like corn flake's at $5,00 a box, tells you that something is pushing the prices up.

But i have never had anyone working on my auto tell me not to use E-15.
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I live in the Chicago area, and I went on the website to find ethanol-free, pure gasoline near me (not super hi-octane racing gas).

The closest gas station to me was 3+ hours away!
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There are plenty of stations around the greater Denver area with 88 octane ethanol free gas which I'm guessing is for those of us who have small engine powered equipment. I've run it twice in the 5th gen since I was also filling up some cans for snowblower and other power equipment. There's not a noticeable difference in power or mpg but it is ~$0.40 more than Costco 91 premium which is what I prefer these days at under $2/gallon (85 octane at Costco doesn't cut it) At $8 more per fill up, not sure that's justified for the lack of perceived gains. I realize I'm in the 4th gen forum so there might be advantages for the fuel system that were designed prior to ethanol being blended into pump gas but depends on who you ask.

As far as ethanol goes, for performance, most car buddies have gone the flex fuel route including myself. On a FBO GT-R, the difference between 91 and ethanol with 70% ethanol is about 80-90hp. There are downsides, over time, if no pump gas is run through the system. Things get a little gummy so there are side effects of running higher content E. Should not see those issues at E25 or lower.
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There are plenty of stations around the greater Denver area with 88 octane ethanol free gas which I'm guessing is for those of us who have small engine powered equipment. I've run it twice in the 5th gen since I was also filling up some cans for snowblower and other power equipment. There's not a noticeable difference in power or mpg but it is ~$0.40 more than Costco 91 premium which is what I prefer these days at under $2/gallon (85 octane at Costco doesn't cut it) At $8 more per fill up, not sure that's justified for the lack of perceived gains. I realize I'm in the 4th gen forum so there might be advantages for the fuel system that were designed prior to ethanol being blended into pump gas but depends on who you ask.

As far as ethanol goes, for performance, most car buddies have gone the flex fuel route including myself. On a FBO GT-R, the difference between 91 and ethanol with 70% ethanol is about 80-90hp. There are downsides, over time, if no pump gas is run through the system. Things get a little gummy so there are side effects of running higher content E. Should not see those issues at E25 or lower.
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Why shut it down?

Because you were fishing for agreement and people chimed in, didn't agree with your statements about your inherent biases that ethanol blends are politically motivated?

You say you didn't want this to be bombarded with politics yet you brought that into the discussion multiple times?

Further, ethanol runs cleaner, cooler, and can withstand detonation when running more aggressive timing maps. There is a reason some of us increase the ethanol content of pump 91 during the summer months.

But the facts don't agree with your political biases. It's all good. I'm no fan of far left politics but some folks are just beyond out of touch with reality and FACTS.

/Thread fail.
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I've run pure 88 from Maverik a few times driving across Utah...not enough of a significant change in mileage to justify it. I think I went from 17.8 to maybe 18.0 MPG?

Considering I filled up for $1.42/gallon for regular 85 yesterday out here in Denver, and non-ethanol gas is around a full dollar more per gallon, I'll take the minimal MPG drop...

I do prefer running pure gas in my motorcycles, but they also sit for quite awhile in the garage during the winter. They also only take 3 gallons opposed to the 20 the 4runner takes lol.
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I would like to try 100% gasoline for several tankfuls. But I can’t get it in densely populated CA. It probably isn’t worth the additional cost anyway to achieve additional MPG. Assuming ethanol has 33% less energy than gasoline, the blend is 10%, at 20 MPG: 0.33x0.1x20=0.66 MPG less using a 10% ethanol blend.

However, if pure gasoline gives you a noticeable increase in power or performance then I might justify the additional cost.
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The people who repair autos trucks and lawn mowers, they love the people who use "Ethanol" it gives them lots of work this means they make lots of money.

If we had gotten a Democrat in the white House we today would be seeing 25% "Ethanol" and we would not see any non "Ethanol" gas being sold anywhere in the United States.

And if we again have a Democrat in the white House in 2020, we will see it happen 25+% Ethanol sold and no non Ethanol anywhere.
LOL. Wasn't ethanol implemented under a Republican president? Start looking at the bird from both sides.
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I don’t think it works that way.
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... Considering I filled up for $1.42/gallon for regular 85 yesterday out here in Denver, and non-ethanol gas is around a full dollar more per gallon, I'll take the minimal MPG drop...
Anybody know why some states sell 85 octane?
Auto user manuals typically state 87 minimum. Is it due to the higher elevation?
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Anybody know why some states sell 85 octane?
Auto user manuals typically state 87 minimum. Is it due to the higher elevation?
You would be correct. Premium here is 91, midgrade is 87.
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LOL. Wasn't ethanol implemented under a Republican president? Start looking at the bird from both sides.
Yup Biofuels Act of 2006, a.k.a. Republic Act 9637. Republicans.

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Why shut it down?

Because you were fishing for agreement and people chimed in, didn't agree with your statements about your inherent biases that ethanol blends are politically motivated?

You say you didn't want this to be bombarded with politics yet you brought that into the discussion multiple times?

Further, ethanol runs cleaner, cooler, and can withstand detonation when running more aggressive timing maps. There is a reason some of us increase the ethanol content of pump 91 during the summer months.

But the facts don't agree with your political biases. It's all good. I'm no fan of far left politics but some folks are just beyond out of touch with reality and FACTS.

/Thread fail.
Not only that, but Trump LIFTED restrictions on the sale of E15 fuel to please farmers:
Trump lifts curbs on E15 gasoline to help farmers, angering Big Oil - Reuters

OP's parents must be brother and sister as I'm struggling to understand how he could come up with such asinine claims to stroke his pro-republican erection. It would've taken him two seconds to google both Trump's stance on ethanol fuels and which political party introduced E10 fuels but he rather make up fairy tales to warm his MAGA heart.

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