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It would be nice to get some Good Sliders and Just be able to pick them up local.
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09-20-2020, 09:12 PM
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Looks promising. Where is his shop? The shipping is always brutal on stuff like this.
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Checkout Cory Turner/torxfabrication on instagram, he's in the Atlanta Metro area and doing fabrication on toyotas.
I'm planning on going to him for my sliders.
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09-20-2020, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BackOff
I always wonder about this style of slider with the frame rails being covered with that inner mount plate.
Seems like a good place for the frame to start to rust.
Trapping moisture and road salts between frame and slider frame mount.
Probably just overthinking it.
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true, BUT, when you're done mounting them, just throw a quick bead of caulking. You also have to remember, the fram has LOTS of holes anyway, water will get in the frame anyways
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09-20-2020, 10:39 PM
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Interesting perspective but a bit overdramatic and insulting, with the assumption that someone would be OK with putting sliders on a vehicle just for cosmetics.
This is the same slider design they've been successfully using on 5th gen 4Runners for nearly a year on 4Runners that get wheeled pretty hard. The 4th gen mounting points for a bolt-on solution present some unique challenges. There are several holes through the frame but few that are threaded. As you can see with the image in AutoCad, the mounting plate runs the full length of the slider and will have FIVE frame-thru bolts. No idea how you got the impression there aren't any, but I should clarify that the pics I posted are a tac-welded mock-up and not the finished product. The three support arms will each have a brace to enhance the strength of the mounting arms.
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Engineering doesn't care how you feel.
All noted problems have been solved by All-Pro off road 10 years ago. Your design appears to be a poorly engineered copy. Had you done some type of FEA, you would have discovered that the plate that runs the full length of the sliders will simply warp and pull out the threaded nut-serts on the frame. Additionally, the mounting plates should have bolts that go all the way through the frame, come out the other side and have square backup plates. Thirdly, the front part which would encounter most of the rocks should have 2 bars spaced less than 12" apart to handle the entire weight of the truck without causing metal fatigue along the mounting base. Fourth, using a full length mounting base with only 5 points of contact with m10 bolts will not hold up to a single hit on a rock. And since we are at it, whose idea was it to use 3/8 plate? That should be 1/2 based on the weight of the truck... or did you not actually do any math to determine what thickness of metal might bend based on the torsional load on an extended beam?
Either way, the design sucks, is weak and therefore dangerous and may cause harm to someone. I only post negative things when it is certain that peoples "inventions" may cause injury or death. Outside of that I could care less.
And now back to your regularly scheduled t4r argument about roof rack mounting and aftermarket headlights...
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09-21-2020, 03:46 AM
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Engineering doesn't care how you feel.
All noted problems have been solved by All-Pro off road 10 years ago. Your design appears to be a poorly engineered copy. Had you done some type of FEA, you would have discovered that the plate that runs the full length of the sliders will simply warp and pull out the threaded nut-serts on the frame. Additionally, the mounting plates should have bolts that go all the way through the frame, come out the other side and have square backup plates. Thirdly, the front part which would encounter most of the rocks should have 2 bars spaced less than 12" apart to handle the entire weight of the truck without causing metal fatigue along the mounting base. Fourth, using a full length mounting base with only 5 points of contact with m10 bolts will not hold up to a single hit on a rock. And since we are at it, whose idea was it to use 3/8 plate? That should be 1/2 based on the weight of the truck... or did you not actually do any math to determine what thickness of metal might bend based on the torsional load on an extended beam?
Either way, the design sucks, is weak and therefore dangerous and may cause harm to someone. I only post negative things when it is certain that peoples "inventions" may cause injury or death. Outside of that I could care less.
And now back to your regularly scheduled t4r argument about roof rack mounting and aftermarket headlights...
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I don't know anything about engineering. It's not my design. However, I do know *******s. You're not helpful. You're just a smug jackass.
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09-21-2020, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 04rnr
true, BUT, when you're done mounting them, just throw a quick bead of caulking. You also have to remember, the fram has LOTS of holes anyway, water will get in the frame anyways
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I was thinking rust between frame and the slider mount plate.
RCI has a very similar setup and seems like i have seen at least one other like this too, with that full frame mounting plate.
Just with all the poor old rusted out 4runners i have seen on this site, adding a potential rust zone...
y=mx+b thats not aimed at you.
Might be better to just spray some kind of fluidfilm in there than to try and seal it with caulking, that might just trap moisture.
Maybe clean and paint the frame too? Before install.
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09-21-2020, 04:02 PM
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I don't know anything about engineering.
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Agreed.
You could have fooled me about that design not being yours. You have a prototype on your truck, the original CAD file and were explaining the different design features and the reasons why it could not be done in any normal, non-janky way.
How about you remove it, fix the design so that it does not bear the entire weight of the truck on 5 m10 nutserts and then post pictures of the newly updated model.
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09-21-2020, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by duffdog
Agreed.
You could have fooled me about that design not being yours. You have a prototype on your truck, the original CAD file and were explaining the different design features and the reasons why it could not be done in any normal, non-janky way.
How about you remove it, fix the design so that it does not bear the entire weight of the truck on 5 m10 nutserts and then post pictures of the newly updated model.
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Little life tip for you-
Nobody cares how smart you are (or at least how smart you think you are). If you're a jackass, people probably wont listen to you. So, you might as well keep your thoughts to yourself (for my sake and probably most people here).
I'm not planning on responding to you because you don't seem like someone I can have a constructive conversation with, so type away all you want.
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09-21-2020, 09:12 PM
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Agreed.
You could have fooled me about that design not being yours. You have a ...blah, blah, blah...I have anger issues and my reading comprehension sucks...
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Yeah, I gave the full back story in my original post. Feel free to go back and read it. Maybe you'd understand it if I wrote it out in crayon.
Condescending and abrasive is a helluva way to go through life. I don't know how many kids you have, but I'll bet you have at least one who no longer speaks to you. Weren't therapy sessions a mandatory condition for parole? Hope you get the help you need.
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09-24-2020, 09:29 PM
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Those look very nice. Your Rig looks great man. They are like 10 minutes from my House. Finally a place Local and Close to me.
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09-25-2020, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Epic Ed
Got them mounted up today and I'm very please with how they turned out. They tuck up really tight into the underside of the truck providing maximum clearance. I ran some of the objections by the fabricator who designed these and he chuckled. We might arrange for a drop test. I'd be happy to let them use my ride to do a video demo like I've seen some others do.
I can't answer all the technical questions, but I do know they're DOM tubing .120 wall. Price point is $748 naked. $180 for powder coating. Shipping by zip code.
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And if you are looking for the real deal which isn't a fake copy made from the correct thickness of metal which weighs less, is 5x stronger and doesn't cost an arm and a leg and actually fits on the truck without bending and rusting then click here:
2010-2020 Toyota 4Runner Rock Sliders
Available for the 4th gen as well by request. And no I don't work for All-Pro.
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09-26-2020, 02:57 AM
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And if you are looking for the real deal which isn't a fake copy made from the correct thickness of metal which weighs less, is 5x stronger and doesn't cost an arm and a leg and actually fits on the truck without bending and rusting then click here:
2010-2020 Toyota 4Runner Rock Sliders
Available for the 4th gen as well by request. And no I don't work for All-Pro.
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09-26-2020, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by duffdog
And if you are looking for the real deal which isn't a fake copy made from the correct thickness of metal which weighs less, is 5x stronger and doesn't cost an arm and a leg and actually fits on the truck without bending and rusting then click here:
2010-2020 Toyota 4Runner Rock Sliders
Available for the 4th gen as well by request. And no I don't work for All-Pro.
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While the approach may be a bit abrasive, I do believe there are some good points here. It is important to protect a consumer from poorly designed products, especially if there is possibility of damage to the vehicle with normal and expected use. I would hope that the gentlemen designing these sliders does have a degree in engineering, and if not he has years and years of heavy duty OFF ROAD experience watching designs fails under stress and many, many revisions before offering a product to the public.
At this point, they look OK, but nothing unique and that isn’t already offered by more reputable manufacturers with much more experience in sliders. Also, what’s with the bolt and piece of metal on the bottom of the frame rail? Isn’t that just asking to be sheared off?
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09-27-2020, 01:32 AM
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While the approach may be a bit abrasive, I do believe there are some good points here. It is important to protect a consumer from poorly designed products, especially if there is possibility of damage to the vehicle with normal and expected use. I would hope that the gentlemen designing these sliders does have a degree in engineering, and if not he has years and years of heavy duty OFF ROAD experience watching designs fails under stress and many, many revisions before offering a product to the public.
At this point, they look OK, but nothing unique and that isn’t already offered by more reputable manufacturers with much more experience in sliders. Also, what’s with the bolt and piece of metal on the bottom of the frame rail? Isn’t that just asking to be sheared off?
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I believe the two bottom bolts on the lower part of the frame are a relatively simple attempt to relieve the torsional stress of the arm bending upwards and warping the full length mounting plate away from the frame at the 3 legs. Note that the factory m10 fastener points are not located in the shear zone of the surrounding metal near the 3 welded on legs. Additionally, the gussets have minimal effect on vertical rigidity as they are not attached to any significant structure besides the undersized plate which only has 5 total fasteners to begin with. I find that attempting to "slide" over a rock with downward facing plates and 2 bolts sticking out is counterintuitive. The bolts may catch on a rock and spin the truck along its vertical axis and dump it on its roof, injuring or killing the driver and other occupants.
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