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I just checked fleabay for those XREAS shocks, and one dealer is asking $555 for both sides. It looks like shocks come with a few extra attachments, like a high pressure air hose. I'm wondering if I can get away with just buying only the shocks from Amazon and use existing hardware/ attachments? This would be much better for my budget. I'm wondering what others with the XREAS did. Here's the fleabay link for the overpriced OEM stuff.

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I also have the XREAS 2WD. On my fronts, it's very noticeable where clearance between fender edge and tire is like 3" but on rears it's like 6.5," and I'm wondering if my shocks are shot. I've attached pictures showing front shocks. The right side has more "sweating" than left. The ride feels balanced, but I'm relatively new to this truck and not sure what the norm is.

When I went on Amazon to search for KYBs, they showed shocks without the coils for my truck. Do I not need coils? Some websites show shocks and coil as a single unit. I also read somewhere that KYBs were stiffer than Bilsteins, which is not what this thread says.

I don't do any off road driving and no such plans. I need a comfortable ride that's composed and not bumpy! So if someone would advise as to what would work for my truck, or if I even need new shocks, I'd be very appreciative.
i will try to address most your questions: the difference in height you have is from the original worn out front springs sagging & looking at your pics the shocks are definitely leaking, not sweating, they are shot & need to be replaced. most people & even some dealers suggest removing the xreas & using standard shocks. new xreas system is $2000+ as you found... just not worth it. you can convert to factory toyota non xreas shocks, many people pull their stock ones to upgrade & they sell for cheap. or you can get aftermarket like KYB, monroe or bilstein. monroe & kyb are very close to stock ride & are not harsh at all, bilstein are usually intended for off roading & are stiffer than stock. if you dont off road & its a 2WD then i would suggest finding low mile used toyota shocks or KYB. monroe get lots of bad reviews for being too soft & after some miles & time that just gets worse, the kyb are slightly stiffer than stock but still a very nice firm ride & will allow more time/miles before they start to sag or soften up.

you need new coils on the fronts, called coil over shocks, monroes term is quick struts but these 4runners dont use struts. if the rear sits high you dont need new rear coils, just the shocks.

the fittings on the xreas shocks are for hydraulic fluid not air, they transfer the fluid to the needed shocks like on a corner or hard bumps etc, the system works very well when new or in good shape but they are known to leak like yours & are too expensive to replace. its not very hard to remove them, there lots of write ups here or even youtube, if you cant or dont want to work on it, check with some local independent mechanics (not the dealership) you just tear the lines out & it doesnt take much time, probably an hour or 2 labor added to replacing the shocks. also the new shocks come with new hardware & top hat bushings so its an easy install without swapping springs etc.

i removed my xreas on my 4wd & it was very simple, replacing the shocks was easy too aside from one front being a little stubborn to come out of the top hole but a little prying got it right out. after 1.5 years i am very happy with the KYB's, i dont do any real off roading but im sure they would be fine & better than stock if i did do some light duty stuff but they ride great on the road & lifted the front to look much better.

sorry for the long post, hope that answers most your questions. remove the xreas & get either used original toyota shocks, (pretty sure early 5th gen fits 4th gen) or get the KYB's. they are lifetime warranty too if theres ever an issuue.

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i will try to address most your questions: the difference in height you have is from the original worn out front springs sagging & looking at your pics the shocks are definitely leaking, not sweating, they are shot & need to be replaced. most people & even some dealers suggest removing the xreas & using standard shocks. new xreas system is $2000+ as you found... just not worth it. you can convert to factory toyota non xreas shocks, many people pull their stock ones to upgrade & they sell for cheap. or you can get aftermarket like KYB, monroe or bilstein. monroe & kyb are very close to stock ride & are not harsh at all, bilstein are usually intended for off roading & are stiffer than stock. if you dont off road & its a 2WD then i would suggest finding low mile used toyota shocks or KYB. monroe get lots of bad reviews for being too soft & after some miles & time that just gets worse, the kyb are slightly stiffer than stock but still a very nice firm ride & will allow more time/miles before they start to sag or soften up.

you need new coils on the fronts, called coil over shocks, monroes term is quick struts but these 4runners dont use struts. if the rear sits high you dont need new rear coils, just the shocks.

the fittings on the xreas shocks are for hydraulic fluid not air, they transfer the fluid to the needed shocks like on a corner or hard bumps etc, the system works very well when new or in good shape but they are known to leak like yours & are too expensive to replace. its not very hard to remove them, there lots of write ups here or even youtube, if you cant or dont want to work on it, check with some local independent mechanics (not the dealership) you just tear the lines out & it doesnt take much time, probably an hour or 2 labor added to replacing the shocks. also the new shocks come with new hardware & top hat bushings so its an easy install without swapping springs etc.

i removed my xreas on my 4wd & it was very simple, replacing the shocks was easy too aside from one front being a little stubborn to come out of the top hole but a little prying got it right out. after 1.5 years i am very happy with the KYB's, i dont do any real off roading but im sure they would be fine & better than stock if i did do some light duty stuff but they ride great on the road & lifted the front to look much better.

sorry for the long post, hope that answers most your questions. remove the xreas & get either used original toyota shocks, (pretty sure early 5th gen fits 4th gen) or get the KYB's. they are lifetime warranty too if theres ever an issuue.
Thanks for your feedback. I can't do this myself, but I have an independent shop I go to. I usually buy the parts and let him do the labor. KYBs sound like what would work in this case, especially with lifetime warranty. Would you kindly help me find a link for those shocks, coil overs and other hardware. I tried searching and I got lost.

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Thanks for your feedback. I can't do this myself, but I have an independent shop I go to. I usually buy the parts and let him do the labor. KYBs sound like what would work in this case, especially with lifetime warranty. Would you kindly help me find a link for those shocks, coil overs and other hardware. I tried searching and I got lost.

It's a 2009 UrbanRunner 2WD - V6 - XREAS .
sure. rockauto is usually the best price for most parts & they offer a 5% discount with a code you should be able to find on a google search. you can check amazon or local parts stores too but ive always had great luck with rockauto prices being lowest.

the sr4119 & 4120 are the front l&r for 2wd (& be sure he pays attention to what part# is for which side) the rear are 344410 for both sides.

also tell your mechanic that he doesnt need to remove all the lines, they can just be cut & fluid drained then cap the open ends, but its only a few extra bolts & prying the lines from their clamps to remove it all for a cleaner look. & there are one way check valves in the lines about 10-12" before each shock that lets you remove them without losing any fluid, but not required to do it that way.

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Very helpful, I really appreciate the input and effort. So, with the removal of XREAS, back shocks would need to be replaced with aftermarkets as well. It's only logical since they are all in the same "loop." With that said, looks like KYBs will come to $330 + labor.

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KYB's installed

KYB Excel -G's, MOOG stabilizer links and new rear bushings (All the stuff Toyota suggested to fix to address suspension...control issues. Did not put on near rear springs, but put some airspring bags in back.

Don't let anyone kid you...with midwest rust, it's a lot of work. I also took time to de-rust and repaint, so took about 2 weeks.

Had alignment done after.

.....RESULTS....

It's better, shocks seem more stiff but not too stiff. I wouldn't want stiffer...so KYB seems good choice.

Handling on the road is still...a bit too drifty. Wind seems to grab it and move it, lot more than my 1999 SR5. Like suspension energy is moving it around. I'm tempted to drive a new one to see if are the same.

Ill research further poly swaybar bushings in front or have shop look for other issues or find a suspension shop... feel like I'm guessing at solutions. When I read about these bushings, I only hear "longevity" not control enhancement. I didn't see any other issues when down under, but not suspension expert...obviously. Maybe some ball joints are worn...but I hear no clunk or noise. Or maybe this is how these heavy beasts handle without their $4000 suspension.
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One oddity I noticed...it rides higher on one side by 1/8inch. ..measured from tire to fender well.
A shop noted that can happen with shocks that are older, they said they always check to see if same age/lot. I didn't do that...ordered from rockauto and just put them on.
I guess other possibility is springs worn differently.

anyone experinece this? Maybe the installer is going nuts.
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One oddity I noticed...it rides higher on one side by 1/8inch. ..measured from tire to fender well.
A shop noted that can happen with shocks that are older, they said they always check to see if same age/lot. I didn't do that...ordered from rockauto and just put them on.
I guess other possibility is springs worn differently.

anyone experinece this? Maybe the installer is going nuts.
Driver side lean is a thing. Driver, fuel tank, battery, front diff are all on the driver side, so it will tend to sit a tad lower. Every off-road lift manufacturer makes their own flavor of lean correction spacer, usually like 15-25mm but some have needed more
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Very helpful, I really appreciate the input and effort. So, with the removal of XREAS, back shocks would need to be replaced with aftermarkets as well. It's only logical since they are all in the same "loop." With that said, looks like KYBs will come to $330 + labor.
yes back shocks need to be replaced too, the xreas are all cross connected.

not sure what shipping is for your location, but the shock total should only be $280 & maybe $20 for shipping & some tax. the fronts are $96 each & the rears are less than $40 each. also search for a rock auto 5 % discount code, that will almost cover the shipping.
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yes back shocks need to be replaced too, the xreas are all cross connected.

not sure what shipping is for your location, but the shock total should only be $280 & maybe $20 for shipping & some tax. the fronts are $96 each & the rears are less than $40 each. also search for a rock auto 5 % discount code, that will almost cover the shipping.
Talking to my dad this morning, he was unhappy that I was considering deleting XREAS. I explained and showed him this thread, but he wasn't convinced and offered to pitch in half the cost if I went with OEM shocks. It's an offer I can't refuse and this would make him happy. I found front shocks and coils/springs from a Toyota dealer in Georgia with free delivery for $525. If I went this route, would it just be a matter of plug and play for removal of installation of those parts? Would XREAS system need to be recalibrated/reset in any way that only a dealer could do? Would a loss of fluid while disconnecting of shocks occur? I ask those questions so I could take it to the independent shop and talk intelligently to that mechanic. Thx.
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I found my answers to the previous post in this excellent document: https://www.shockwarehouse.com/news/...structions.pdf

I simply would have to do this at the dealer's which would break the bank for sure and my dad. So, I will just deactivate XREAS and install aftermarket KYBs. At least I have a definitive answer and we're not going to feel bad that we deleted a good OEM feature.
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Talking to my dad this morning, he was unhappy that I was considering deleting XREAS. I explained and showed him this thread, but he wasn't convinced and offered to pitch in half the cost if I went with OEM shocks. It's an offer I can't refuse and this would make him happy. I found front shocks and coils/springs from a Toyota dealer in Georgia with free delivery for $525. If I went this route, would it just be a matter of plug and play for removal of installation of those parts? Would XREAS system need to be recalibrated/reset in any way that only a dealer could do? Would a loss of fluid while disconnecting of shocks occur? I ask those questions so I could take it to the independent shop and talk intelligently to that mechanic. Thx.
ask your dad to explain his reasoning for keeping the xreas? more 4runners come with standard shocks than xreas, xreas was only for sport or urbanrunner models & optional on limiteds. when xreas goes bad its ridiculously expensive to replace, with standard shocks, OEM or KYB, they are cheap & easy to replace. there is no real advantage to xreas vs the standard shocks toyota used, ride is comparable, safety is equal, longevity is about the same & as you found xreas can leak, if theres a problem with KYB they replace them for free, when you have a problem with xreas you have to find a new expensive shock & usually have the dealer install it & add new fluid. another big expense. these are all realistic reasons to not do new xreas shocks.

another big thing is your last question... yes the xreas requires install from a shop that knows what they are doing with this system & knows how to install & fill/check the new fluid that will be required, all an additional expense & usually local shops wont touch an xreas system, dealer will charge you more than the shocks to install.

just want to point that out for your father so he has a better understanding of whats really involved with installing new xreas shocks. seriously, for less than $300 you get a very good quality shocks with a lifetime warranty & they are cheap & easy to replace. or if its a OEM thing then buy OEM SR5 shocks new from toyota or find low mile used pull offs.

this isnt knocking xreas, i had it on my 08 sport for awhile & they werent leaking, but at 100k+ miles they needed replaced & the ride with kyb's is great. 9 out of 10 4runner owners with xreas replace them for normal type shocks.

just trying to save you some $$ & hassle. best of luck whatever you get!

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I was so happy with KYB Excel-G when I replaced my XREAS. I purchased the front quick struts for a 2010 FJ, as well as rear FJ MOOG springs and KYB Excel-G shocks. This lifted me front and rear and gave it a slight nose-down rake.
If you loosen the fittings on XREAS to replace the shocks and struts you WILL lose hydraulic fluid. I don't think any shop other than the dealership could make it a functioning system again without also replacing the control absorbers. JUST DON"T DO IT!! Go with KYB and be done with it for 10% of the XREAS pricing.
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ask your dad to explain his reasoning for keeping the xreas? more 4runners come with standard shocks than xreas, xreas was only for sport or urbanrunner models & optional on limiteds. when xreas goes bad its ridiculously expensive to replace, with standard shocks, OEM or KYB, they are cheap & easy to replace. there is no real advantage to xreas vs the standard shocks toyota used, ride is comparable, safety is equal, longevity is about the same & as you found xreas can leak, if theres a problem with KYB they replace them for free, when you have a problem with xreas you have to find a new expensive shock & usually have the dealer install it & add new fluid. another big expense. these are all realistic reasons to not do new xreas shocks.

another big thing is your last question... yes the xreas requires install from a shop that knows what they are doing with this system & knows how to install & fill/check the new fluid that will be required, all an additional expense & usually local shops wont touch an xreas system, dealer will charge you more than the shocks to install.

just want to point that out for your father so he has a better understanding of whats really involved with installing new xreas shocks. seriously, for less than $300 you get a very good quality shocks with a lifetime warranty & they are cheap & easy to replace. or if its a OEM thing then buy OEM SR5 shocks new from toyota or find low mile used pull offs.

this isnt knocking xreas, i had it on my 08 sport for awhile & they werent leaking, but at 100k+ miles they needed replaced & the ride with kyb's is great. 9 out of 10 4runner owners with xreas replace them for normal type shocks.

just trying to save you some $$ & hassle. best of luck whatever you get!
My dad likes to keep everything stock. We discussed this further and he's now convinced the cost of replacing the entire XREAS is not justified. He had thought it was just a matter of replacing the front XREAS shocks, but now we know the entire system needs replacing.

Do I need strut mounts as well? They're cheap, like $22. On Rockauto I saw mounts for fronts, but none for rears? KYB rebates expired a few days ago, and can't even apply a 5% discount code, no place to enter code on checkout page; will continue to play with it, like you said to at least help with $40 shipping charge.
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My dad likes to keep everything stock. We discussed this further and he's now convinced the cost of replacing the entire XREAS is not justified. He had thought it was just a matter of replacing the front XREAS shocks, but now we know the entire system needs replacing.

Do I need strut mounts as well? They're cheap, like $22. On Rockauto I saw mounts for fronts, but none for rears? KYB rebates expired a few days ago, and can't even apply a 5% discount code, no place to enter code on checkout page; will continue to play with it, like you said to at least help with $40 shipping charge.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to keep everything stock. If it is worth it to him (or me), then it's worth it, DAMN whatever anyone says. Period.

Regarding replacing the XREAS shocks, they can be replaced only once, and the cross opposite of that shock needs to be replaced as well. E.g, if your front passenger needs replacement, then the rear driver's must be replaced b/c they are hydraulically connected. If they need to be replaced yet again, then the whole system has been replaced. Mine have been replaced once, next time, if there is one, I have to get a complete system.
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My dad likes to keep everything stock. We discussed this further and he's now convinced the cost of replacing the entire XREAS is not justified. He had thought it was just a matter of replacing the front XREAS shocks, but now we know the entire system needs replacing.

Do I need strut mounts as well? They're cheap, like $22. On Rockauto I saw mounts for fronts, but none for rears? KYB rebates expired a few days ago, and can't even apply a 5% discount code, no place to enter code on checkout page; will continue to play with it, like you said to at least help with $40 shipping charge.
nothing wrong with keeping stuff original, but when time comes to replace things like xreas, there are better options & will save a large amount of money.

technically, 4runners do not have struts even though some people & companies call them that. if you get the KYB's you dont need any mounts or hardware, its all included & assembled on the shock, just unbolt the old one & install the new one. rears are just like standard shocks, the coil spring stays in place when you replace the shocks.

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