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Old 02-05-2021, 09:27 AM #16
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The very first two replies said to replace your MAF sensor and to check your transmission fluid level. You did neither, and opted to entirely replace your transmission. And while doing so, now you have been told that the transmission fluid level was markedly low...
In his defense, he made it clear that he doesn't work on it himself. Just drives it and observes incorrect operation, then takes it to a mechanic.
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Happy to hear you got this fixed and it wasn’t something major! I can confirm less than 3.5qts is what comes out of drain from pan.




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So I just want to make sure that I’m understanding the big picture here.

The very first two replies said to replace your MAF sensor and to check your transmission fluid level. You did neither, and opted to entirely replace your transmission. And while doing so, now you have been told that the transmission fluid level was markedly low...

Well, I’m happy that your problem is solved...


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my understanding of his last update is that they did not replace the trans, they put it on a lift & found a leak & checked the fluid was low, which is what caused the problems. so it was low on fluid that caused teh problems & so far he hasnt reported back on how it drives with the correct fill level. trans wasnt changed from what i gathered.

& when i say 3.5qts i almost always put a "~" before it... which means roughly or about or estimated. ive seen 3-3.5 on pan drains & anywhere in between.
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Final update. Sorry for the delay but I typed up a reply and then deleted it... It wasn't the tone I wanted to relay. It was more of a response to the criticisms of random posts. I love forums. I really do. If this were a Miata forum I would have had at least three "part out" replies by now. So I'll try to be positive. ;)

Long story short, transmission performance is nearly perfect after correcting the leak and replacing the ATF.

As for the debate on the fluid amounts, I had misunderstood the service writer when he called. I was driving a Kenworth pulling a set of doubles in the snow, so I'll take the blame for getting it wrong. He mentioned 4.5 quarts and six quarts. So what I got out of it was it was 4.5 quarts low our of six. But actually it was 4.5 quarts low as they recovered about six from the transmission.

In response to the critics that want to say I asked for advice and then did non of the recommendations and went straight to a transmission swap I would say, I ran every opinion here through a good friend that is a former mechanic and now we both drive for UPS. He agreed with every possiblity mentioned here and then began elaborating about the how's and why's. His opinion carries more weight than strangers on forums.

He is the one who told me to clean the MAF sensor vs replacement. He also said it was virtually impossible to get an accurate reading of how much or little fluid was in these transmissions. That's it's more of a learned process that includes getting the system up to temperature and adding fluid and waiting for an overflow. Something I wasn't going to do. And he totally agree that a weak battery and low voltage in the system could cause all these behaviors too.

So I did what I could do. On the Sunday afternoon I had available. I appreciate the insight and suggestions everyone gave here. They all were solid ideas. But when none of the 15 minute fixes solved the problem I needed to know worst case scenario. I had a decision to make. Would I fix it or trade it. Knowing transmission problems can turn into rabbit holes I wanted my local shops to give me their worst. And to me that was a transmission swap. Of course, I was open to letting someone look at the vehicle before just swapping transmissions. And actually all but one shop insisted that they look at it before they would even order parts.

I hope that this thread and my experience might help others who have a similar situation. My faith in this T4R is strongly restored and now I have my sights set on 400k! She's actually driving better than she has in years.
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How could you not see that over a QT of fluid had leaked out on the underside of the radiator area? Not trying be an ass but that would be pretty obvious.
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Glad you got it sorted.

Always start with the easiest thing first. No offense to your UPS buddy, but if he doesn't own, or have owned in the past, a 4Runner, the forum advice trumps his. A Freightliner Class 8 tractor has nothing in common with a 4Runner.

After the first couple of posts, I was thinking - low fluid. Yes easy for me to say this after the fact, but it's true. I ran a 4th gen for 205k miles and it was a great vehicle. I wanted to run it to 300k miles as a badge of honor, but my wife convinced me we didn't need a third, mostly unused, vehicle.

You need to stay 100% on top of this vehicle given the age and mileage. It is capable of 400k miles, but you need to anticipate failures before they happen. I would start methodically replacing electrical items, mainly sensors and the starting/charging system, and change all fluids, if you haven't done this already.

Also keep the engine block, heads, cam covers and intake spotlessly clean. This allows you to see fluid leaks the moment they happen and it gives you time to either plan the repair yourself, or to generate other options to address.
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How could you not see that over a QT of fluid had leaked out on the underside of the radiator area? Not trying be an ass but that would be pretty obvious.
Seems it doesn't leak much when not under pressure. I knew I had something leaking. Definitely had little drops in the driveway and yes I could see it under the hood. But nothing I was seeing would have made me think I had lost multiple quarts of anything. Again, something this thread might be able to help others understand.
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Glad you got it sorted.

Always start with the easiest thing first. No offense to your UPS buddy, but if he doesn't own, or have owned in the past, a 4Runner, the forum advice trumps his. A Freightliner Class 8 tractor has nothing in common with a 4Runner.

After the first couple of posts, I was thinking - low fluid. Yes easy for me to say this after the fact, but it's true. I ran a 4th gen for 205k miles and it was a great vehicle. I wanted to run it to 300k miles as a badge of honor, but my wife convinced me we didn't need a third, mostly unused, vehicle.

You need to stay 100% on top of this vehicle given the age and mileage. It is capable of 400k miles, but you need to anticipate failures before they happen. I would start methodically replacing electrical items, mainly sensors and the starting/charging system, and change all fluids, if you haven't done this already.

Also keep the engine block, heads, cam covers and intake spotlessly clean. This allows you to see fluid leaks the moment they happen and it gives you time to either plan the repair yourself, or to generate other options to address.
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Good advice on the cleaning the bay and preventative maintenance. Most wearables and all fluids have been changed at least twice at about 120k and again around 220k. Other than the suspension being sloppy she drives great. Put about 500 interstate miles a week on her.
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