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Old 04-08-2021, 10:18 AM #16
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Love this setup. Would you recommend that model Pioneer? There are many different ones out there and it is not clear the pros and cons.

Very interested in how you added the pickup/hangup and speech button on the left side of the steering wheel and how you acquired the parts.
So here a few things about the unit:

Biggest selling point:
- Its a good unit if you are looking for a "wireless" Carplay & Android Auto. Its biggest feature is the fact that your phone can do Carplay without the need to connect any wires. This was my number one reason for getting this unit.
- If you are okay with a wired connection, Pioneer also sells a wired version i believe thats cheaper. Use Crutchfield.com to help narrow down to the headunit for your particular vehicle per what your needs are.
Wireless Connection rating = 7/10
- It connect pretty quickly (timed at about 19 sec between starting vehicle and Carplay connection).
- It works well majority of the time, but there are instances when it wont connect and i have to manually go into the unit and connect it. I've also had a few instances that it has disconnected right in the middle of a song. Doesn't happen often, but it has happened.
Overall user interface:
- Its quite easy to use overall. Switching between apps in Carplay is quite easy as the icons remain on the left had side so swapping between Spotify, Google Maps, etc is quite easy. I did have a few days to use this with an android phone and I found that it was not as refined as Carplay was. It was more cumbersome to switch between apps and when connected to Android Auto, I couldn't change things on my phone (for example: i couldn't scroll my playlist on my phone if I was connect to Android Auto, but have no such issues on Carplay). Could have been a user error but definitely felt Carplay as being more refined on the unit.
Cost Factors:
- Another important factor to consider is not only the cost of the unit, but also the cost of the iDatalink Maestro Module to allow the unit to be able to read the tire pressure, battery voltage etc. Besides the unit, the modules, steering wheel control adapters and dash kit were almost $200. This is why i use crutchfield because they give you everything you need for the unit to work. I also ended up not liking the initial unit that I had ordered and it was easy to exchange the item and their customer service was quite helpful with any questions I had.

Steering wheel - Adding Phone Controls:
Below is a link to my original post in another thread where I listed links that already have the part numbers used and helpful instructions. I did this as I was replacing my steering wheel (super easy install even for someone like me that doesn't work on cars much).
What did you do with your 4runner today?

We have a 7 week old baby that keeps me quite busy, but if you have any other questions or would like me to test something out in particular on the unit, let me know .
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I've been interested in doing this for the last couple weeks or so and it sucks to want a Pioneer (looking specifically at the 2600nex) head unit right now. I didn't know at first but apparently there's a shortage due to the pandemic. Because of that, prices are nearly doubled.

I would look into the Alpine iLX-650 or possibly the Kenwood DMX4707s. Seems like good models within a reasonable price range (if you are even considering forgoing the iDatalink)

It is really shitty and I donít even understand how thereís a shortage either because itís not like head units are really needed during this pandemic like toilet paper and hand sanitizer


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I love your setup! That steering wheel though... 👀. Would that wheel fit an '03? Ebay doesn't show that year as an option.
I would check with the vendor. I didn't think the 03s were different, but being the first model year of the 4th gen, there could be some differences. The steering wheel upgrade has definitely been one of my favorite mods.
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It is really shitty and I donít even understand how thereís a shortage either because itís not like head units are really needed during this pandemic like toilet paper and hand sanitizer


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Has nothing to do with if it's "needed" or not.... Folks are buying guns, car parts, vacations, etc.. with that stimmy money.
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I upgraded mine about 2 years ago. I went with a Pioneer unit after talking to the folks at Crutchfield. I bought a AVIC-W8400NEX unit with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. I also got a PAC harness to retain use of the steering wheel controls. I really like it and it works very well. I later added a backup camera as well and it was pretty easy to connect up to it.

My only complaint, in hindsight I suppose, was that I bought a wiring harness from Crutchfield that helps with wiring but has to be plugged into the OBD2 port. This has advantages but some disadvantages as well.

If I were doing it again I would get the iDatalink module as noted by others earlier in the thread. I would also make the connection to determine whether the vehicle is in reverse outside of any of the harnesses purchased by Crutchfield so that your backup camera works whether their wiring harness is connected to the OBD2 port or not. For example if you are using a OBD2 diagnostic device like BlueDriver, you would still want your backup camera to still function.

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Hey all. This is my first post on these boards as I'm a first time owner of a 4Runner as of yesterday.

Was hoping I could get some basic info related to upgrading my head unit as I don't know much about it (I installed an aftermarket head unit in an '05 Grand Prix like 10 years ago but that's my entirety of experience, no bluetooth/gps/cameras/etc.)

I have a 2005 4Runner Limited with JBL and the non-nav (I'm assuming default stock?) radio.

I was looking to either get the Atoto S8 or the Dasaita

S8: Amazon.com: [10in Floating Display] ATOTO S8 Ultra S8G2108U (Gen1), in-Dash Android Car Navigation, Dual Bluetooth w/aptX HD,Wireless Phone Link, Gesture Operation,Built-in 4G Cellular Modem, Support 512GB SD: Car Electronics
Dasaita: Amazon.com: Dasaita 10 inch Rotatable Screen 2din Android 10.0 Car Stereo for Universal Radio Carplay Android Auto GPS DSP System 4G Ram 64G Rom 15Band EQ Navigation Multimedia: GPS & Navigation

Was wondering if anyone had any experience with either? I've heard the customer service with Atoto is really good, but I like the aesthetic of the Dasaita unit more. I'm also looking to get a backup cam and dashcam, which I know Atoto makes.

My other questions are: 1. Is the default factory stereo double din or single behind the faceplate? 2. What pieces will I need besides just buying the head unit and cameras? 3. This is a really stupid question and I apologize but when it comes to wifi/data/GPS on the head unit, do I need to add it to my phone plan to give it service or something? 4. Any recommendations on other accessories would be very welcome as well. My main goals as of now are to be able to wirelessly play music/do navigation from my phone (I've never used CarPlay or anything but I'm assuming it's not too difficult), and also to be able to charge my phone.

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Hey all. This is my first post on these boards as I'm a first time owner of a 4Runner as of yesterday.

Was hoping I could get some basic info related to upgrading my head unit as I don't know much about it (I installed an aftermarket head unit in an '05 Grand Prix like 10 years ago but that's my entirety of experience, no bluetooth/gps/cameras/etc.)

I have a 2005 4Runner Limited with JBL and the non-nav (I'm assuming default stock?) radio.

I was looking to either get the Atoto S8 or the Dasaita

S8: Amazon.com: [10in Floating Display] ATOTO S8 Ultra S8G2108U (Gen1), in-Dash Android Car Navigation, Dual Bluetooth w/aptX HD,Wireless Phone Link, Gesture Operation,Built-in 4G Cellular Modem, Support 512GB SD: Car Electronics
Dasaita: Amazon.com: Dasaita 10 inch Rotatable Screen 2din Android 10.0 Car Stereo for Universal Radio Carplay Android Auto GPS DSP System 4G Ram 64G Rom 15Band EQ Navigation Multimedia: GPS & Navigation

Was wondering if anyone had any experience with either? I've heard the customer service with Atoto is really good, but I like the aesthetic of the Dasaita unit more. I'm also looking to get a backup cam and dashcam, which I know Atoto makes.

My other questions are: 1. Is the default factory stereo double din or single behind the faceplate? 2. What pieces will I need besides just buying the head unit and cameras? 3. This is a really stupid question and I apologize but when it comes to wifi/data/GPS on the head unit, do I need to add it to my phone plan to give it service or something? 4. Any recommendations on other accessories would be very welcome as well. My main goals as of now are to be able to wirelessly play music/do navigation from my phone (I've never used CarPlay or anything but I'm assuming it's not too difficult), and also to be able to charge my phone.
Go to Crutchfield, do the "what fits my car" thing and pick a double DIN radio (AA/CP compatible recommended for most accuracy). C'field is nice enough to show you what other pieces you'll need for isntall. In short, you'll need a double-DIN kit appropriate to your 4Runner's trim level, an interface to allow an aftermarket unit to work with the JBL system, and possibly a second interface to retain steering wheel controls...which may not be an option with the Android units.

My quick and dirty take on the two units:

The ATOTO will take a SIM card so you could add it as a device to your wireless service plan just like a tablet. Or, you can enable your phone as a hot spot (if allowed by your carrier) and let the ATOTO connect through it. The Dasaita only offers the option of using a hot spot...no SIM card that I can see.

The ATOTO says it's running Android Oreo...that's version 8.0. Current is version 11 with 12 out in preview. As such, I might question whether the ATOTO really can run AA/CP, especially wireless since AA wireless requires the phone to be at v11 (some phone models, like Pixel, could do wireless with v10), IIRC.

Honestly, given both units are $500ish, I'd seriously consider sticking to the traditional brands like Sony/Alphine/Pioneer/Kenwood/etc. Then add standalone dash cams. I've followed these generic Android units off-and-on for a number of years and the quality is seriously hit-or-miss...even when 2 people buy the exact same unit, they've been known to report quite different experiences...and support is virtually non-existent.

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Honestly, given both units are $500ish, I'd seriously consider sticking to the traditional brands like Sony/Alphine/Pioneer/Kenwood/etc. Then add standalone dash cams. I've followed these generic Android units off-and-on for a number of years and the quality is seriously hit-or-miss...even when 2 people buy the exact same unit, they've been known to report quite different experiences...and support is virtually non-existent.

Good luck.
Thanks for all the helpful info! Two quick follow-ups - #1 if I went with a sony/alpine/etc., do those still have android? I'm really fond of the agama car launcher and the ability to have engine diagnostic apps and such, and #2 Can you recommend any similar pricepoint 'dependable' brand units that are still in the realm of the 10 or so inch floating touchscreen style?
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JA has a really good write up on an android unit he installed. Thereís a ton of good info on his site including other projects for you to click through. Very well documented.

4th Gen Toyota 4Runner Android Head Unit

A big issue with android issues is that the suppliers tend to skip on heat dissipation measures. The processors get very hot and not having a proper heat sink or ventilation can lead to them failing early on. To combat this, I added a heat sink and fan to the processor inside of my head unit. The fan is probably a bit of overkill but it canít hurt.



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I actually tried the 9" floating model from Pioneer (DMH-WC6600NEX) first, but it felt out of place in the cabin. It also hid other items in the dash, which annoyed the crap out of me. Ended up exchanging it for a smaller Pioneer unit (DMH-W4660NEX)
Do you have a picture with the DMH-W4660NEX Installed?
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How did you install it? Did you use factory brackets?
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I have the Pioneer MVH-1400NEX (has Apple CarPlay). I love fit and finish. It has the options for reading vehicle status (TPMS, temps, gages, etc) but I didn't end up getting the Maestro. If you paired it with the Maestro, it would be excellent. I have a wireless backup camera that works with it and I also have the JBL Synthesis system and it's working great with the factory amp.

Let me know if you have any specific questions about my setup. Hope this helps.
That's a great head unit. Put one in a 5th gen before. But doesn't support android auto so keep that in mind
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I got a Kenwood DMX4707s and love it capacitive screen and car play for $400. That is if you can find them in stock.
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I just got a Kenwood 10.1" DMXs head unit. It has wireless Carplay and Android Auto, but better than that it has wireless mirroring so i can do so much more.

Fantastic audio settings and with Maestro i get all my TPMS pressures and temps plus tons of customisation. I can also add front and side cameras.





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Apologies for the really stupid question, but does anyone know if head unit wiring is the same world-wide?

My current head unit is Eclipse avn-z02i, and it's great, apart from the fact it's hard-wired to Japanese So at some point I will be changing it. (I only use USB and bluetooth, can't stand the radio)

I would like to keep the reverse camera and forward facing dash cam functionality if possible.

It is quite funny getting remonstrated by a female Japanese voice when I go over 60mph, though...
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