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How long to keep high mileage 4th Gen?
With a 6th Gen 4Runner potentially coming in 2023, and not sure it is a vehicle I will want, I'm seriously considering ordering a 2022 TRD Off Road...in Lunar Rock. Then I look out in the driveway and see my 2005 V6. Do I really need to spend $50K on a new rig? Then spend several grand on a lift, legitimate tires, and sliders.
I have had my 2005 since it had 180K and it's now at 230K. It's lifted, sleeping platform set up, etc. just the way I want it. Yes, it has ugly oxidized silver paint, but doesn't show the road rash.
I replaced the head gaskets at 195K. Was losing a slight amount of coolant, and showed coolant in my oil on a Blackstone analysis. Other than that no evidence of head gasket blown from the way it ran. I got it for a very low price, so decided to preemptively address this. I replaced plugs, all fluids, radiator, hoses, battery, alternator, v-belt, lower control arms, added Dobinson shocks, replaced carpet and still only have about $11K into it.
Other than all these preventive repairs it has run like a top. How far can I drive this thing and feel like I have a reliable vehicle to get me in and back out again? Let me know your thoughts. What else should I do preemptively to keep it running?
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08-29-2021, 07:57 PM
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What's some good PM to do when she's getting around 250k miles.
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08-29-2021, 08:20 PM
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My cousin has an 05 or 06 302,000 miles he has beat the brakes off that thing everyday for the last 8 years hes has owned it... drunken off-roading...
he did a cv and brakes years ago and never ever EVER! does routine maintenance, hes had an oil change sitting in the closet for the last two years has been probably 30,000 since he changed it last all other fluids are factory.
no lie its the craziest treatment of a runner I've ever seen and he still uses it as his daily its actually his only car...
exhaust is gone from headers back, hood is smashed unusable from hitting like 10 deer at 60 it gets him to work and back everyday and 4WD still works flawlessly...
so for an answer to the question I'm willing to bet a long time! as long as rust doesn't kill it....
it's an awful way to treat such a faithful machine but what can you do.... heavy boozin small town WI.
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08-29-2021, 08:22 PM
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What's some good PM to do when she's getting around 250k miles.
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look it over really well and all fluids if not done previously.
I grease driveshafts and a hard look over every oil change.
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08-29-2021, 09:33 PM
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don't be stupid! keep the '05, and send the $50k to me!!
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08-29-2021, 11:14 PM
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I go through this frequently as well. But it’s the same engine transmission / drive train in the 5th gen
I’d see what features the new ones have you want and see what you can do. Ie might be worth it to look into professional polishing, painting or vinyl wrapping. Upgrade seats, head unit.
Sometimes shiny new toys are fun too. It’s different for everyone - some will keep their car for ever and you can put a lot into it for the savings on a new one. Others don’t want to have to deal with potential fixes or want a new platform and enjoy having a newer car
Good luck.
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08-29-2021, 11:54 PM
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I go through this frequently as well. But it’s the same engine transmission / drive train in the 5th gen
I’d see what features the new ones have you want and see what you can do. Ie might be worth it to look into professional polishing, painting or vinyl wrapping. Upgrade seats, head unit.
Sometimes shiny new toys are fun too. It’s different for everyone - some will keep their car for ever and you can put a lot into it for the savings on a new one. Others don’t want to have to deal with potential fixes or want a new platform and enjoy having a newer car
Good luck.
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I’ve been jonesing for a 5th Gen 4R or a 3rd Gen taco for a minute. I then remember how nice it is not having a car payment and I get over it lol
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The best part of owning an older truck, I dont worry about it like I would if it was new. And no car paymant.
Sold my Lexus IS350 2014 last year to get rid of the $350 monthly.
For me the best part, I spent a total of $13,000 and bought a ‘07 4runner Sport $6500 and 21’ Rinker ski boat $7000. And have no loan payments on either. Both are in very clean condition.
I’m Never going to buy a new vehicle again.
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08-30-2021, 08:50 AM
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The best part of owning an older truck, I dont worry about it like I would if it was new. And no car paymant.
Sold my Lexus IS350 2014 last year to get rid of the $350 monthly.
For me the best part, I spent a total of $13,000 and bought a ‘07 4runner Sport $6500 and 21’ Rinker ski boat $7000. And have no loan payments on either. Both are in very clean condition.
I’m Never going to buy a new vehicle again.
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08-30-2021, 09:39 AM
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expendable income? go for it..
Your 4runner properly maintained will run at least double the mileage it currently has before repairs don't make sense anymore.
all considering the level of rust you have or what you do from this point ot prevent it.
While im sure the brand new 4runner will be nice as hell... its going to be new and untested and expensive. You can sink 10k into your runner and make it awesome and its still a long way from the 50k you will spend on something thats bone stock and making payments on
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08-30-2021, 10:28 AM
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Whichever you decide, at least the resale value will always be there. Maybe not as great as a Tacoma, but always something good to be able to fall back on. Same with WRXs, Wranglers, etc. Unlike the GMs that I used to own, it's nice to have vehicles that are (mostly) worthy investments.
If you sell the 4th gen, being able to tout your maintenance & upkeep is always a plus.
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Originally Posted by woodman60
With a 6th Gen 4Runner potentially coming in 2023, and not sure it is a vehicle I will want, I'm seriously considering ordering a 2022 TRD Off Road...in Lunar Rock. Then I look out in the driveway and see my 2005 V6. Do I really need to spend $50K on a new rig? Then spend several grand on a lift, legitimate tires, and sliders.
I have had my 2005 since it had 180K and it's now at 230K. It's lifted, sleeping platform set up, etc. just the way I want it. Yes, it has ugly oxidized silver paint, but doesn't show the road rash.
I replaced the head gaskets at 195K. Was losing a slight amount of coolant, and showed coolant in my oil on a Blackstone analysis. Other than that no evidence of head gasket blown from the way it ran. I got it for a very low price, so decided to preemptively address this. I replaced plugs, all fluids, radiator, hoses, battery, alternator, v-belt, lower control arms, added Dobinson shocks, replaced carpet and still only have about $11K into it.
Other than all these preventive repairs it has run like a top. How far can I drive this thing and feel like I have a reliable vehicle to get me in and back out again? Let me know your thoughts. What else should I do preemptively to keep it running?
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This just comes down to how you want to spend your money. You're currently driving one of only a handful of vehicles with a engine/powertrain that generally requires very little beyond regular maintenance even well beyond 250k miles. Personally I like spending car loan money elsewhere
That being said, even if it were to start really showing it's age, you can afford a lot of maintenance and repair work for the price of a car note.
As others have said, it's the same bulletproof engine and trans in the '22, with a more modern interior and exterior. If esthetics and more modern features like Toyota safety sense are important to you then maybe it's worth it. A modern HU can make up for a lot of that in a 4th gen though.
To answer your questions more specifically; with your current attention to maintenance and a new HG, I would think you could easily get 350k reliable miles out of the engine, and possibly more. The HG is the only major problem the 1GR-FE has from 2003-2005/6 apart from some cracked exhaust manifolds, but I think that's more of an issue on the V8.
There's not much else I can think as far as pre-emptive work you could be doing apart from staying on top of oil changes, coolant flushes at recommended intervals and not regularly using the top half of you tach unless you actually need to. Just keep doing what you're doing. I love my '03, I think Toyota really outdid themselves on the 4th gen 4R. In my biased opinion, it's the best midsize BOF suv ever made.
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The only things that could sell me are actually offering something new. A
new drivetrain with better MPGs and added safety features are high up on the wish list. New technology would be cool (screens, 360 camera, etc…) but the novelty of some of those things isn’t worth $50k to me. I can get by with adding CarPlay and a backup camera.
Otherwise it’s more or less the same truck. Personally I’d rather put the money into an investment account. The 6th gen might be cool but I never buy the first year or 2 of a new design. There’s usually somethings to be worked out.
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Thanks for all the opinions. I'm thinking it's time for some Clazzio seat covers and coverlay dash for the 2005...and maybe a nice off road teardrop trailer to tow behind it.
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Thanks for all the opinions. I'm thinking it's time for some Clazzio seat covers and coverlay dash for the 2005...and maybe a nice off road teardrop trailer to tow behind it.
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I’ll eventually do Katzkin, and I’ll order them from this guy:
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