[Combatman]

So I put tacoma suspension on the front of my 4Runner then put some 255/75r17 tires and got an alignment with the tires, and now on my last two 6 hour highway drives (both ways) it pulls to the left when I levy off the steering wheel, and I'm constantly giving the wheel left pressure to go straight. Is this normal with bigger tires and a lift?

Here's a picture of the alignment sheets:

[luke87gt]

Your topic says pulls right, body text says pulls left

In any case, no it's not normal.

If your alignment is spot on, tire pressure is normal, and your tires were purchased new, a good alignment shop should be able to compensate for the pull by adjusting the caster on one side without touching any toe or camber.

Have them recheck the aligning numbers to make sure nothing has changed.

[CXS]

Make sure you're taking road conditions in to consideration but it sounds like you're definitely not in alignment.

[Combatman]

Pulls to the right, sorry. I took it in after the alignment because it looked like the toe was off a little, but they said it was normal and my toe was off before and they said the fixed it. I have no idea how to tea the alignment sheets though, so I just took their word for it

Edit: here's the before measurements:

[gm350reratliff]

Take it back and have them re-align it. I would have them add more caster on both sides but try to end up with caster about .3°-.5° higher on the right side. I would also have them drop the left side camber and try to match the right side. I generally don't like to have camber over .5°. They will have to readjust toe if they adjust caster and/or camber.

[OkiSurf1996]

Looks like they just adjusted Toe and sent you on your way in all honesty. Take it back and have them perform a proper alignment.

[sbayha]

Alignments frustrate me. The technicians rarely adjust anything but toe. I try to find local ALIGNMENT shops with old crusty guys with race trucks out back working the garage who take more than fifteen minutes to do an ALIGNMENT. That was fast? You should not be saying that after getting an alignment. If they respond "that's within the specification" I respond with bye bye.

God help you if you have to show them the alignment adjustments on a light racing uca....

[Combatman]

I'm brining it back in today to get it checked, is there anything I should say while I'm there? Should I be mentioning that they mostly just adjusted toe?

Edit: so they gave it back to me, said they swapped the front tires and took it for a ride and now it doesn't pull. I looked at the tires (I've driven probably 600 miles) and the little nubs that wear off after a couple hundred miles are gone on the outsides of the tires and still sticking out on the inside. I called them and they said camber adjustment isn't included in their regular alignment. I'm having them call corporate because they didn't tell me that when they sold me on the tire/alignment package. I'm probably going to go elsewhere for an alignment at this point...

[Code2]

Originally Posted by Combatman

I'm brining it back in today to get it checked, is there anything I should say while I'm there? Should I be mentioning that they mostly just adjusted toe?

Edit: so they gave it back to me, said they swapped the front tires and took it for a ride and now it doesn't pull. I looked at the tires (I've driven probably 600 miles) and the little nubs that wear off after a couple hundred miles are gone on the outsides of the tires and still sticking out on the inside. I called them and they said camber adjustment isn't included in their regular alignment. I'm having them call corporate because they didn't tell me that when they sold me on the tire/alignment package. I'm probably going to go elsewhere for an alignment at this point...

I used firestone with no issues what so ever otherwise i use toyota themselves

[gm350reratliff]

Originally Posted by Combatman

I'm brining it back in today to get it checked, is there anything I should say while I'm there? Should I be mentioning that they mostly just adjusted toe?

Edit: so they gave it back to me, said they swapped the front tires and took it for a ride and now it doesn't pull. I looked at the tires (I've driven probably 600 miles) and the little nubs that wear off after a couple hundred miles are gone on the outsides of the tires and still sticking out on the inside. I called them and they said camber adjustment isn't included in their regular alignment. I'm having them call corporate because they didn't tell me that when they sold me on the tire/alignment package. I'm probably going to go elsewhere for an alignment at this point...

They're taking you for a ride. Camber isn't included in the alignment?! Then it shouldn't be advertised as alignment. It's just toe adjustment at that point. Just get your money back from these clowns and smear there name and shady practices all over so nobody else gets suckered in.

[mustangpro]

Also keep in mind that if you have a brake caliper that's not releasing fully it would cause a pull to the faulty side.

[Combatman]

They wouldn't give me my money back, but I finally got them to offer me a camber adjustment for free (at first they wanted me to pay an extra $50 for it), but they would only do it if I told them where I wanted the camber at. I had no idea, and I had to take trip out 6 hours away last night, so I didn't have time to deal with it and they refused to they give me money back. I started reading online and apparently it's not terribly difficult to do the camber adjustment at home, so I might do that. What should camber normally be set to?

[LTDSC]

how does an alignment shop not include camber adjustment even if its out of spec?

I would tell them to get bent and never return.

[CXS]

Just a hint about getting a lifted truck aligned properly - look at the employee parking lot for a lifted truck. If you see one ask if the owner is the person doing the alignments. If they say "yes" have them do it, if they say "no" go to another shop.

Repeat until you find a shop that not only does lifted trucks but one where the alignment person drives one. This falls under the "it takes one to know one" category.

[OkiSurf1996]

Worked at Toyota a couple years and honestly 4runners are stupid hard to align. As I said earlier, that shop adjusted Toe and sent you on. That's the absolute wrong way to do a 4Runner alignment.

When I was doing them it was in the following order: Caster, Camber, Caster, Camber, Toe, Caster, Camber, Toe. And then if things still weren't good to go, repeat the last three until getting it as close as possible. Most 4runners are about a 1.5-2hr job on the alignment rack if they've had any lifting done or front end damage.