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Old 09-14-2014, 11:33 PM #16
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2 crazy thread resurrections in this one. I'm about half a decade late.

Sell/eat the horses and get some dirt bikes instead. Lighter, faster, cheaper, better in every way. You could pull 2 of them easily with a civic.
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Having just got rid of my Civic, I can vouch that towing with it is a death sentence.
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Having just got rid of my Civic, I can vouch that towing with it is a death sentence.
Probably. Mine was rated to tow 1000lbs, but I was afraid to actually try it. I'm sure the drivetrain could handle it, but the rear suspension did not like carrying weight, and stopping would require some planning unless the trailer has brakes. Sadly most small trailers don't have brakes.


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Even the V8 will be very slow with the horses
the V6 is already working it's tail off pushing this brick wall of a truck at 70+mph
I don't think the V6 is working that hard unless the truck is fully loaded. You've obviously never driven a Civic in the mountains. Going up a hill I would have my foot to the floor the whole time, and the top speed was 65mph because the gearing was set up for efficiency and 3rd gear wasn't quite high enough in the power band. It would cruise up mountain passes with the engine at 4,500-5000 RPM the whole way, 5-10 minutes. I always laugh when I read about people that are afraid their engine is working too hard, because they are designed to run all out for as long as you want. As long as the temperatures stay within normal range it doesn't matter how hard it's working, and the cooling systems in Toyotas and Hondas have enough capacity that it would be difficult to overheat unless something is broken. I only once saw the temperature gauge go 1 bar above normal in the civic (digital gauge with 20 bars) no matter how hard I drove it. People take those cars to the track (usually the Si version, mine was too slow) and they do fine driven much harder than anyone would on the road. I suspect 4runners can handle similar use, though I don't hear of a lot of people taking their 4runners to the track!

I agree that the V8 towing horses would be slow. It doesn't seem that much faster than the V6 when it's empty, but I haven't compared them side by side.
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Probably. Mine was rated to tow 1000lbs, but I was afraid to actually try it. I'm sure the drivetrain could handle it, but the rear suspension did not like carrying weight, and stopping would require some planning unless the trailer has brakes. Sadly most small trailers don't have brakes.




I don't think the V6 is working that hard unless the truck is fully loaded. You've obviously never driven a Civic in the mountains. Going up a hill I would have my foot to the floor the whole time, and the top speed was 65mph because the gearing was set up for efficiency and 3rd gear wasn't quite high enough in the power band. It would cruise up mountain passes with the engine at 4,500-5000 RPM the whole way, 5-10 minutes. I always laugh when I read about people that are afraid their engine is working too hard, because they are designed to run all out for as long as you want. As long as the temperatures stay within normal range it doesn't matter how hard it's working, and the cooling systems in Toyotas and Hondas have enough capacity that it would be difficult to overheat unless something is broken. I only once saw the temperature gauge go 1 bar above normal in the civic (digital gauge with 20 bars) no matter how hard I drove it. People take those cars to the track (usually the Si version, mine was too slow) and they do fine driven much harder than anyone would on the road. I suspect 4runners can handle similar use, though I don't hear of a lot of people taking their 4runners to the track!

I agree that the V8 towing horses would be slow. It doesn't seem that much faster than the V6 when it's empty, but I haven't compared them side by side.
this is the only side x side video i have ever found. v8 is 2/1 lifted with what looks like 265/70's, v6 os stock.

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I agree that the V8 towing horses would be slow. It doesn't seem that much faster than the V6 when it's empty, but I haven't compared them side by side.
Speed wise there isn't much of a difference, it's mainly the torque and where it's at (in my opinion), although my P38 Range Rover was rated to two 7700 lbs and it only had 190 horsepower and 230 lb/ft of torque (vs. the 315 of the Runner)...so I don't know actually.


Re: Civics, rpm isn't a concern nor is the power, it's the suspension. At least to me. Even with two middle sized polynesians in the back, my car would sag something fierce. I know Civics aren't meant to tow in the first place, but the 1,000 lb towing capacity even them to me is just stupid.
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Of course a V8 has more torque then a V6, don't take a genius to figure that out but a V6 is adequate for most jobs. If you tow heavy Sh!t then get a V8 otherwise a V6 is very capable. I have a V6 & don't need a V8 to feel MANLY, lol.
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If the V8 had another 70 or 80 hp then it would feel manly.
As it is, no way.
It may be a V8 but it is tiny.
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this is the only side x side video i have ever found. v8 is 2/1 lifted with what looks like 265/70's, v6 os stock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuzYY5r2uGU
I wonder if that's the pre VVT-i v8, or the new one?

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Speed wise there isn't much of a difference, it's mainly the torque and where it's at (in my opinion), although my P38 Range Rover was rated to two 7700 lbs and it only had 190 horsepower and 230 lb/ft of torque (vs. the 315 of the Runner)...so I don't know actually.


Re: Civics, rpm isn't a concern nor is the power, it's the suspension. At least to me. Even with two middle sized polynesians in the back, my car would sag something fierce. I know Civics aren't meant to tow in the first place, but the 1,000 lb towing capacity even them to me is just stupid.
Yep. Here's mine fully loaded. The bike rack and bikes are about 150lbs total. The trunk and all the seats (except driver seat) are full of stuff, who knows how many pounds, but probably not more than the weight of 2-3 people. I had most of my belongings for a temporary move across the country. With this load the rear would bottom out/hit bump stops on anything but the smallest bumps in the road, the headlights aimed too high, and the front end hydroplaned on me a couple times (worn tires didn't help). What you can't see is the excessive camber angle on the rear. Independent rear suspension is nice until you need to carry some weight. I've seen some Honda Odysseys towing, and they look like this too!
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^^I had an 8th gen too (Si though).

It never ceased to amaze me how rough the Civic's ride was, yet at the same time the car couldn't take any sort of weight.
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Can the hitch setup from the V8 be fitted to a V6?
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Can the hitch setup from the V8 be fitted to a V6?
Yes very easily.

BUT, 4Runners that came with the "V8" hitch also came with a transmission fluid cooler just in front of the radiator on the driver's side, when towing more weight the transmission will get hotter than normal and can shorten the life of the transmission, so I would recommend adding a transmission cooler as well, a aftermarket cooler will work fine as long as you don't get the cheapest one you can find, better to look for quality than a low price, also you can get a cooler that comes with an electric fan which it can be located anywhere instead of in front of the radiator.
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I love chiming in on these! First of all go and buy a truck or a larger suv (suburban, sequioa etc) are little 4runners are not tow vehicles, do I tow with mine yes but when I actually need to tow anything that is more then a quad or two on a single axle trailer I use my F350. And for all the manly v8 owners on here the hp and torque difference is pathetic and being in awd all the time almost completely negates the benefit.
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I love chiming in on these! First of all go and buy a truck or a larger suv (suburban, sequioa etc) are little 4runners are not tow vehicles, do I tow with mine yes but when I actually need to tow anything that is more then a quad or two on a single axle trailer I use my F350. And for all the manly v8 owners on here the hp and torque difference is pathetic and being in awd all the time almost completely negates the benefit.
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I love chiming in on these! First of all go and buy a truck or a larger suv (suburban, sequioa etc) are little 4runners are not tow vehicles, do I tow with mine yes but when I actually need to tow anything that is more then a quad or two on a single axle trailer I use my F350. And for all the manly v8 owners on here the hp and torque difference is pathetic and being in awd all the time almost completely negates the benefit.
that sounds like its coming from someone who doesn't/hasn't owned a v8...
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I bought the V6 4runner for my girlfriend because in my biased opinion as a mechanic and having worked on just about anything you can think of I believe the V6 is a better more reliable motor, and yes I have owned a V8 4runner it was a good truck just never felt the power difference you guys do. I drive a truck with over 500hp as a daily driver so no neither of them impress me in that aspect. As for the towing nonsense neither of them are very good at it.
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