10-17-2014, 01:56 PM
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Turns out that push nut is 4mm, not 5mm, and I was correct...it's not easy to find. I have to order a bag of 100 units from one of the local specialty fastener wholesalers as they don't sell them individually. Luckily a full bag is only $10, but will take a week to come in, so I guess I won't be stripping it down this weekend.
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01-27-2015, 12:42 AM
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Did you find the pin ?
I am having same issue and from other posts here was able to determine that the pin which sits in a hole that has a spring in it had come out, this pin travels along the underside of the top/lid of the gear shifter and this is why it will get no more resistance when in D-3rd have to hold it in 3rd will still do 2nd and 1st and R and P. Getting this pin back in and it staying in place is a major pain, I almost had it went all the way up to P but just would not get out of P even when pushing that button down, wasn't about to force it. I've tried the only position that works when trying to get the lid back on which is 2nd or 1st due to having to tilt the top to get the tabs in, engine on parking brake on, that is the tricky part to this. There really isn't much of a groove that this pin travels in, it's greased and that's part of the problem too, I've been using a head/flashlight at the rear of the unit and holding the stick while trying to get all of it lined up so that the pin doesn't come out while lowering the top and sliding the top tabs into place. So, on the one hand I can't believe that it didn't take much to dislodge the pin to begin with, it's not like this unit is worn out, was treated very nicely by me it's entire life, on the other hand I don't really want to have to shell out the $$ that's wanted for this if I can even find it. Realize this post is old but just thought I'd add it here for you or anyone else. Back to the matter at hand one more time before I quit for the night.
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01-27-2015, 12:51 AM
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My thoughts exactly......
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Originally Posted by baddna
That's precisely how I broke mine. Going down a fire road, wanting to shift from D to 3 at 25mph. Felt resistance, so pulled a bit harder and something snapped.
Disassembled the shifter. Once I got to the part where I took out the shift lever lock pin on pg 40-34, then removed the top of Floor Shift Assembly. The underside of this top has a shaped plastic track with detents for holding the shift lever in a particular gear position. Beneath the top, I found the inch-long metal pin laying on the floorboard, and a plastic framework attached to the left of the shift lever. This black and beige plastic frame moves with the shift lever, and in its hole was its spring. This is the location for the floating detent pin. The pin is flat on one end and hemispherical on the other (the rounded end rides the plastic guide that comes off the top of Floor Shift Assembly when the shift lever lock pin is removed. The lip of the plastic hole was fractured. Placed the pin back in its hole, reassembled and tried to run through the gears. That pin popped right back out (with resistance). Note that there is the mechanical cable linkage for all gears EXCEPT between D and 3. That appears to be an electronic switch to disengage overdrive (D). So this little nightmare pin in plastic is my issue for my '03 automatic.
I'm trying to see how I might secure a nut or guide for the pin and spring, because I can't imagine Toyota will sell me the plastic bit that the pin and spring seat into. I also wonder if I could trim the spring to create less detent force -- enough to keep the pin in place without causing it to be so stiff as to press against the fractured side of the plastic housing (and just pop right back out).
Seems like a very weak design, but maybe there is something odd about trying to downshift while in motion with the design. I can't imagine what that is -- looking at the engineering of the parts, the pin should simply float as it presses on that top lid track.
Maybe I can take pictures to depict my description. I would be reluctant to purchase a replacement at a junkyard -- whats to say the replacement doesn't have the same aging effects.
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Poor design is the understatement of the year award for this issue at least I'm not alone in how this problem happened it shouldn't take so little to make that pin come out, all I can be glad for is that I found the pin spring still in place and no cracked plastic, I'm still trying to get it to work and like you am wondering if I should try something that will keep that pin in place. Although this is under my former LOCOBEAR ID I'm now SeanCeltiad, just happened to find this thread while trying to find another gear shift unit while doing a search online-good luck-and it is just coming up under old name. 
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07-16-2015, 06:01 PM
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shifter console and ECU pics!!!!
Thought i'd toss in some pics while I have everything apart! I'm having the same issues so ended up trimming the spring (under the pin) about four rungs, cleaned the old grease and applied new grease. Seems to work like normal-ish now but my expectation is rather low for a 297xxx mile vehicle. When the time comes, I'll just pony up for a new shifter assembly from the dealer. There are many dealers who give a decent discount so it'll hurt a little less than paying full list price.
Shift control ECU. Screwdriver is pointing to the little knob that is suppose to be inside the slot on the left!
Back side of shifter ECU
Shifter assembly
The famous "pin" that keeps the shifter in place
Shifter assembly turned upside down. This is the "peak" where the pin rides up and over the top. You feel this notch when you move the shifter from left to right. This gets worn down over time.
My shifter pattern
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09-02-2015, 01:42 PM
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Shifter slippage not allowing key removal from ignition
1996 4Runner / 4wd / 6cyl
260k mi
About 50% of the time, when I put it in park, and turn the truck off, the key will stop at the middle position (eng is off, but electrics are engaged), and I am unable to remove my key. I have noticed there is significant play in the shifter as well.
After almost spending $300-$400 on a new ignition, I realized it was not the ignition but the shifter. If I keep my foot on the brake and move the shifter down and back up to Park (sometimes it takes multiple tries), and then try to rotate the key to the left and pull it out, eventually the key will come out.
I've looked into possibly buying a used shifter, but have also heard it could just be 4 bushings.
IDEAS??
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09-02-2015, 02:06 PM
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The shifter assembly should be taken apart and inspected. If you remove it, You'll see that there is a switch that gets activated when you're in park and perhaps yours need cleaning or adjusting, not sure.
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09-20-2015, 03:03 PM
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Another 03 sloppy shifter
I have found this forum because of my shifter in 03 4.7 4runner has done the same thing everyone here has stated. It started getting a little tighter to shift into lower gears until yesterday i heard the pop sound of plastic and now have a loose/floppy shifter. I also tow in 4th often and so glad I found this forum. I will tear into this thing soon. Anyone have a good source to just purchase the whole assembly without breaking the wallet? I have to let the stealership inspect the cracking dash next week for possible recall so I will ask them about this shifter as well. Thanks everyone for your info to this problem
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11-26-2016, 02:02 AM
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So the only solution is to completely replace the assembly? Urghh.
Mine is still stiff from D to 4, everything else shifts without issue. Would greasing it help it from breaking?
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01-25-2017, 02:57 PM
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I've sent a few PM's here and there, but I figured a broadcast would be more effective.
Has anyone replaced their shifter unit? I would like to get my hands on an old unit to take apart and find a way to remedy this issue while it is still in "Sticky Shift" mode before it devolves into "Floppy Shift Mode."
I have some theories but I am unable to take apart my own shifter since I rely on the truck daily for work.
Thanks all. If you are able to help, please send me a private message.
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06-07-2017, 05:57 PM
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4th gen 2003 4runner shifter
Hey guys. I'm a newbie to participating in forums, although I've often benefited from the smart solutions I've managed to find by browsing through your contributions, so thought maybe it's time to try to give back. The shifter in my 2003 4runner got all loose and floppy, and I gained enough info from this forum to decide to try my own fix, and am I ever glad I did! I'll try to attach some pictures to illustrate the solution that worked for me. I unscrewed the shifter knob, pried off all the console trim and removed the shifter lid. (In order to get the lid off the shifter you have to pry the retainer clip off the hinge pin at the rear of the shifter and remove said pin) Once inside I found the problem was that little spring-loaded guide pin had popped out. That pin is seated in a plastic cylinder, the top portion of which has worn out over the years allowing the pin to lean a bit and eventually jamb and pop out. The pin is just short of 1" long, so the solution I came up with was to install a longer pin and a shorter spring. I cut about 1 1/4" off the end of an old paint roller shaft, ran a 1/4 drill in the hole so it would fit and dropped in a ball point pen spring in place of the original. Works better than new! Oh, make sure you thoroughly file the bottom perimeter of that new pin so it slides smoothly inside the cylinder.
Last edited by WayneBC; 06-08-2017 at 12:54 AM.
Reason: Edited to clarify some phraseology.
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06-07-2017, 06:03 PM
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Wayne,
Excellent -- I'm glad someone beat me to my goal of a solution before the plastic shaft cracks, because I haven't made any progress.
I do have a question though, and I'm not saying you're wrong by any means, just genuinely curious:
What made you decide to swap in a longer pin and softer spring instead of just a softer spring (OEM sized) paired with the old pin?
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06-07-2017, 06:16 PM
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Tried that, Montego. It just jambed and popped out again. I tried to attach a few more pics to my original post to no avail, so I'm still working on that, but hopefully my long winded description will help.
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06-07-2017, 06:26 PM
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4th gen 2003 4runner shifter
Still learning my way into this thing. Trying to add a few more pictures.
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06-07-2017, 06:27 PM
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After reading what you wrote a few times, I think I'm understanding better what happened... the OEM pin scored a groove partially down the pathway of the plastic cylinder, This ultimately prevented it from traveling the full path smoothly (required to reach the lower gear selections. The longer pin rides past this groove and won't cause a problem for another 14 years.
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