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Old 11-06-2007, 10:09 PM #31
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Yeah, it will work fine with the DD cargo system down flat. If anything, it keeps the floor level with the seat backs.
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That's what I was thinking as well, but then readong some of the other posts had me questioning that....

Either way, I guess I'll know for sure after this weekend.
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IMO, there's no point to remove the DD system unless the extra inch or two in height is neccessary for tall cargo. With the DD system removed there's the gap and the second row seatback and cargo floor is no longer flat.
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Anyone ever sleep in the back of a first gen? I might try that next summer with my wife.
As far a mosquitos goes, get a bit of mosquito net, put it over the open window/ sunroof and use some strips of flexible magnets to hold it in place. Doesn't look the greatest but it works. Done that with an open sunroof at the drive in in the car numerous times.
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I'm planning a road (snowboarding) trip out to Lake Tahoe in California with about 6-7 other stops along the way there and back. I'll be coming from Western New York (Buffalo area) and I plan on spending multiple nights in my 4Runner while inbetween destinations to save on some money! I'll keep ya'll updated on how it goes. I'll have my laptop and wireless net with me. The trip is so far planned for mid-February if all works out with getting the time off work, etc.
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IMO, there's no point to remove the DD system unless the extra inch or two in height is neccessary for tall cargo. With the DD system removed there's the gap and the second row seatback and cargo floor is no longer flat.
Glad I am not the only one who questions the removal of the shelf (useless or useful as it may be).
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I'm planning a road (snowboarding) trip out to Lake Tahoe in California with about 6-7 other stops along the way there and back. I'll be coming from Western New York (Buffalo area) and I plan on spending multiple nights in my 4Runner while inbetween destinations to save on some money! I'll keep ya'll updated on how it goes. I'll have my laptop and wireless net with me. The trip is so far planned for mid-February if all works out with getting the time off work, etc.
If youre sleeping during the winter you might want to take some sort of heater. Its going to get cold at night. Good luck and hope to hear how it goes....
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If youre sleeping during the winter you might want to take some sort of heater. Its going to get cold at night. Good luck and hope to hear how it goes....
Yeah, I have a 12v heated blanket and a cold-weather sleeping bag that should work fine. I've camped in tents in the winter plenty of times, so it should be a similar experience. I also liked the idea of hitting the remote start to heat the vehicle up a bit if need be.
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we just got back from a camping trip by sleeping in the runner. the temperature was about 40's at night. we used "Aireshade" on the back windows and closed all other windows and didn't feel too cold. we didn't have to remove the double decker either. we bought a foam from walmart which makes the sleep a lot more comfortable. i'll post some pictures later.
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Proper Equipment

All you need is a GOOD cold-weather sleeping bag, although a self-inflating pad is an nice addition.

We use a Coleman Golfcat catalytic heater during our winter 4Runner camping trips. We turn it on for 30 minutes or so before we get into our bags and again intn emorning for a bit before we get up and dressed.

We own several different sleeping bags (actually over a dozen for our family of five), ranging anywhere from
-20 deg F to to +30/40 deg F. Some are more compact down bags for backpacking and others are more of a bulky hunting bag type for car camping excursions. The right tool for the job at hand.
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I know this thread is old as hell but since I thought the information was valuable I figured I'd at least share my setup.

I removed the rear seats as others have mentioned cause the extra leg room is nice. I bought 2 lawn chair mattress pads and laid them down. Next I put a feather bed on top of the pads and then slept with a blanket and another down comforter. Needless to say we were extremely comfy - in fact, my girlfriend and I were calling it the "4 seasons". When we were done I sleeping, I would fold both ends up kind of like a taco and hold the two ends together with a bungie cord. This gave me ample room in the back for firewood, tools, etc.. and then I would also have room in the front for a cooler and luggage, etc..

This setup got me and my girl through 4 days traveling the northern part of the Washington Backroads Discovery Route.
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I see this thread is also about 4th gen 4runners... incidentally my whip is a 97. I suspect you can duplicate my setup if you wanted to in a 4th gen.
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I go up to Michigans Upper Peninsula in October every year to go bird hunting with my family and I usually just sleep in my tent during the week. Temps in mid/late october up there are usually 40-50 during the day and 20-30 at night. I have a 15º down sleeping bag and an insulated backpacking mattress and those two will keep me warm down below freezing.

I was really excited since I just bought the 4runner in July and this was going to be its first real trip where I could get to know it on a long road drive while also getting it out into the woods and tracks.

This year I left Chicago later than I wanted so I didn't get up to our camp until around 2am. Temps were 30º and I was exhausted from a full day of work and a 7.5 hour drive. I backed in to a level spot and slid the front seats forward. I moved my gear to the passenger seat and folded the rears flat.

I kept the heater going the whole time as I prepped the car just to make it more comfortable to fall asleep.

After that I put my sleeping pad down and jumped in my sleeping bag and fell asleep looking through the moon roof at a clear sky. I had just enough service to pick up a blackhawks game and listen to the last few minutes before falling asleep.

The big thing to remember about sleeping in your car is that it won't keep you any warmer than sleeping outside in cold temps. They simply don't insulate that well. The only thing it does is keep you out of the wind, rain and snow. The problem is that you need to vent it or the humidity from your breathing inside the vehicle will make it feel even colder if temps get really low and it can actually freeze on the windshield/windows and create condensation or ice.

I will say the simplicity of being able to pull in, fold the seats down and go to sleep was pretty nice. I ended up staying in my truck the rest of the weekend simply due to the fact that all I had to do was run the heater for a few minutes, pop the rear hatch and crawl into a warm bed. I'm 5'10 and I put myself at a slight angle so that if I wanted to be straight I could. I imagine that something like a 4" thick inflatable twin mattress would be a perfect fit to fill up the rear and still fit between the wheel wells. It ended up raining most of the days we were up there so it was really nice not having to pack up a wet and muddy tent.

Also, before dropping money on a heater that requires any sort of chemicals/electricity etc, consider investing in a nice sleeping bag right from the start. It will be safer and require much less energy to keep going throughout the night. There will be no risk of fire, the battery dying, the chemicals failing, or simply not working. And remember not to run a propane heater in a closed environment unless you don't want to wake up the next morning.
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Great thread..
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Also, before dropping money on a heater that requires any sort of chemicals/electricity etc, consider investing in a nice sleeping bag right from the start. It will be safer and require much less energy to keep going throughout the night. There will be no risk of fire, the battery dying, the chemicals failing, or simply not working. And remember not to run a propane heater in a closed environment unless you don't want to wake up the next morning.
Some propane heaters are rated for indoor use. The catalytic converter should get rid of carbon monoxide, so the only dangers are excess CO2, low oxygen, risk of fire, and lots of moisture in the air. Some of them have an oxygen sensor to make sure the oxygen level stays safe. But I wouldn't trust them while sleeping.

A better solution would be to make some kind of mini-furnace that heats air but has a fresh air/exhaust vent outside. It could also pull in fresh air from the outside, heating it, and expel moist stale air from inside.

I don't want to get side window visors for various reasons*, so a mini furnace would be a good alternative. Maybe it could sit on the roof in the sunroof opening and have a gasket to seal out water. Like the roof vents in an RV, but removable for daily driving.

*Problems with side window visors/deflectors:
-The plastic distorts light, making weird artifacts when you look through them
-The dark ones make it feel like there's less visibility, but clear ones don't look as good and still have other problems.
-They push out the window seals, so if you remove them the windows may not seal well, or there may be extra wind noise
-They add extra wind noise/drag
-More strain on the window motor
-They may trap dirt and scratch the window since they are not as soft as the window seals
-Rear ones have to be installed with adhesive
-Ones that stick on the outside surface of the door might not stay on well, are hard to find, and leave bad residue if you try to remove them

Maybe instead of a furnace, you could have a propane water heater outside the vehicle and run water lines inside, using a small pump to circulate water. Then have a hot water radiator inside as part of the loop.

A heat recovery ventilator might be good to bring in fresh air without dumping as much heat, but you would probably have to DIY a small one, and you would have to handle condensation somehow.

A dual battery setup would be best to power these heating systems since the starter battery isn't really designed for that kind of load.
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