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Hey John, your ride looks great! Did you happen to measure your before and after from hub to fender? I'm curious what kind of lift you ended up getting.

I went a different route for my suspension and got way more lift than I was expecting and I'm wondering if it's too much and I'll need to mess with a new UCA. I've already had my CV axle boot split, but that's not surprising on a rig with 160K on it.

People talk about needing new UCAs with a 3" or more lift, but that doesn't tell much when you're comparing to a saggy old suspension. What's the baseline for the 3" to start from? It seems like what I really need to know is, at what hub to fender measurement do I need to worry about new UCAs?
It's more about the alignment. Once you can't get a good alignment anymore because of the height that when you need them
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It's more about the alignment. Once you can't get a good alignment anymore because of the height that when you need them
Thanks. I had it aligned and they didn't say anything about any problems, so I assume it's OK. I attached a pic of my rig with the new suspension.
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The more you lift these things, you more loose caster.

less caster=constant steering wheel input.

More caster=tracks better with less steering wheel input.

3.5* or more fixes that funky wandering feeling.

In the NW we use studded tires, makes big ruts in the pavement.
Low caster really suck in that sort of roadway. Constant user input...really sucks.

Caster improves the tracking of the T4R... less driver input.
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3.5* or more fixes that funky wandering feeling.

Caster improves the tracking of the T4R... less driver input.
Thanks Derek. I'm nowhere near 3.5. I'm at 1.3 and 1.39. But my steering feels fine. The specs say that 3.97 is the max. I guess we'll see how it settles in. Perhaps over time it'll feel like it's wandering more, but for now it feels great!

My only real concern is the CV axles. I've already replaced one and will probably need to do the other before long.
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Thanks Derek. I'm nowhere near 3.5. I'm at 1.3 and 1.39. But my steering feels fine. The specs say that 3.97 is the max. I guess we'll see how it settles in. Perhaps over time it'll feel like it's wandering more, but for now it feels great!

My only real concern is the CV axles. I've already replaced one and will probably need to do the other before long.
UCAs won't affect anything related to CV wear just btw...Also "Max" is for factory suggested setting and also in the event that you are all stock suspension and wheel/tire, which you aren't. Don't worry about going over that caster number, it has no negative consequence. I believe my numbers are like 6+ and mine drives great
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UCAs won't affect anything related to CV wear just btw...Also "Max" is for factory suggested setting and also in the event that you are all stock suspension and wheel/tire, which you aren't. Don't worry about going over that caster number, it has no negative consequence. I believe my numbers are like 6+ and mine drives great
So pardon my ignorance, but it seems like you're saying that I can dictate what the alignment shop sets my alignment at. Is that correct? Or, are you setting it yourself? I just drove my rig to the alignment place and paid for an alignment. I didn't know I was supposed to tell them how I wanted it. I'm new to this stuff so still figuring it out.
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So pardon my ignorance, but it seems like you're saying that I can dictate what the alignment shop sets my alignment at. Is that correct? Or, are you setting it yourself? I just drove my rig to the alignment place and paid for an alignment. I didn't know I was supposed to tell them how I wanted it. I'm new to this stuff so still figuring it out.
Well, with aftermarket UCAs you can get a more wide range of measurements thus allowing you to fine tune your specs.

Some with the SPC UCAs like me, have to set their preliminary alignment at home and then take it to the shop to get fine tuned.

Not all shops are aware of stuff like this. Most "Off-Road, or Custom" shops know stuff like this though if you can find a shop like that that will align you will be much better of in my experience.

This video should help.

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Small update, ordered the 5100s and some other parts. Ended up getting the Moog FJ coils for the front, and the Moog T4R coils for the rear. Both arrived horribly packaged, with each coil having at least 10+ chipped sections throughout the powercoat or whatever the finish is. They are scratched to the point where it looks like they have almost been installed before. I've order paper towels that came with more protective packing...

Decided to return all of the coils, including the 1.5 rear spacer, and am going to bite the bullet and go for the T1/T12 coils, with only a 1/4" spacer on the FL to level out the driver's sag based on: . I thought about doing the OME stuff, but the heavier spring rate, combined with some comments around here about the valving for 5100s not playing the best pushed me towards the Wheeler's stuff.

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sorry to bump your post from march, but how did this work out for you? interested in doing the same lift with the same equipment. thanks!
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Hey John, your ride looks great! Did you happen to measure your before and after from hub to fender? I'm curious what kind of lift you ended up getting.

I went a different route for my suspension and got way more lift than I was expecting and I'm wondering if it's too much and I'll need to mess with a new UCA. I've already had my CV axle boot split, but that's not surprising on a rig with 160K on it.

People talk about needing new UCAs with a 3" or more lift, but that doesn't tell much when you're comparing to a saggy old suspension. What's the baseline for the 3" to start from? It seems like what I really need to know is, at what hub to fender measurement do I need to worry about new UCAs?



Thanks, with NEW OEM FJ shocks, coils and all compared to my XREAS was roughly 1 inch lift. That also include the skinny and a tad taller tires. The FJ Wheels also has a different offset so the tires and wheels come out a bit.

Yeah, I've read about new UCA when lifting over 3' as well. Sorry I can't help answer that question. I do vaguely reading talk about all that in the thread when I read through the whole F**ken thread. Where I can't remember now. Good luck
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Spacers?

I might of missed it on my read through of this post and searches. With stock 4R coils, they recommend 10mm spacers to fix the 4runner lean. Are these still recommended with the FJ coils being taller on the driver* side?

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