"Seeing's how there's a million full-time 4wd early 90's Corolla wagons with 300,000 miles running around, another million bazillion RAV's, Highlander's, Sienna's, Previas and GX's on the road with VERY reliable (as reliable as any 2wd application) Toyota-built full-time 4wd system, I really don't see any reasonable need for added concern."

Alright,

All of those that you listed have one thing in common that the 4Runner doesn't, there based on a front wheel drive setup, there engines and transmissions are set up differently, they are built for CV joints in the front and distribute about 60 % or more power to the front wheels at all times. They will not bind up too much under say a full lock turn. The 4Runner, as great as it is will bind under a full lock if the situation is just right. It is based off of a rear wheel drive setup, granted the transfer cases are different on the Fulltime 4wd vs the part time of the v6 but the results are still the same practically. Not trying to beat the dead horse, there are less moving parts when the 4wd is not engaged on the part time which DIRECTLY influences maintnence in the long run. To be a little more specific it will effect the CV joints in the front from being binded more often and it will effect the gears/bands, not sure which one is in our transfer case, alot quicker in the v8. The 4Runners are great in our vehicles, BUT, the v8 wasn't right for me when I purchased in 04, its that simple. It wasn't about cost either, it just wasn't right, thats the beauty of having options, I haven't regretted it a day since. I wouldn't mind having a 05 Sport with the ne v8 though;)

T

Just because V6 and V8 come up in the same sentence it doesn't mean that it is a battle. I don't think an article would be written comparing the resale value of two totally different trucks. No sh!t a car with 1/2 as many miles is worth more as long as they are the same model. The article that he was referring to was for two SR5s with different engines. You always say that you won't battle and you always refer to a debate as a battle and enter you two cents. I think that you do a lot of assuming! And you know what they say about that don't you? You make it sound like we are all flucking nutts for having a V6. Maybe your name does say alot about you...a little EDGEy from time to time?

Okay, here is the deal. I wrote the above to get a rise out of EDGE b/c of the obsession with the V6 vs V8 debate. I could really care less. $20 says he reads that post before reading this one and starts an argument about it. I have the popcorn ready.
If he reads this first and doesn't respond and figures out that I am just yanking his crank, I will mail him the $20...shhhh everyone!


CV:corn:

I have been watching this for a while avoiding the V8 vs V6 battle, but the resale issue is just plain stupid... Looking up resale values at face value, yea, the V8 is worth more (average about $400 if you trust kelly blue book) for '04 and '03 4Runners. The V8 option when new was about $1400 on both model years (this is an SR5 by the way with identical milage of 30k and identical options). If you look at it that way, then the resale is actually less because of the higher initial investment (netting a loss of $1000).

I have the V6, I'm happy with it and my 22 mpg avg (and 450 miles per tank). I drove both the V6 and the V8 and really didn't feel that much difference and the differences I did feel I attributed to a 4 spd vs a 5 spd. I also did not need a vehicle that could tow 7000 lbs.

Based on most people's input from this web site, people are not interested in the short term resale anyway, and long term resale tends to hit a plateau regardless of the engine or tranny, but takes in factors such as milage, overall condition, long term reliability, etc. In that case, I doubt you will see any appreciable difference in resale value from either engine.

If you are thinking about V6 vs V8... You can't go wrong with either engine, especially now that they have the same tranny. Go with what you think you will need or what you really want. All of the V6 people are going to push the advantages of the V6. All of the V8 people are going to push the advantages of the V8. A little bashing from either side is just part of the debate. Take your time and drive lots of the 4runners... Take a V8 one overnight and a V6 another overnight if they will let you and keep in mind how long you want to keep the vehicle and how many hours a day you will be spending in it.

edit.. After re-reading this post, I really didn't mean to sound like I was bashing those discussing the resale, I just feel that the raw numbers for short term show something different than what is being stated, and long term resale will not have an appreciable difference between engines.

That's fine, I never said it wasn't right for you! I just wanted to since no one on here has real solid evidence that the part-time system will last any longer, it really shouldn't get brought up as an advantage.

This early in the 4rth gen's life cycle, it's too hard to tell. What if the V8's 4wd system lasts 1,000,000 miles and the V6's last 1,010,000 miles? Who cares, cause the rest of the truck probably won't last that long anyways!

The part-time system adds a lot of additional parts that can fail. Just my opinion.

You have owned full-time 4WD Toyota Trucks before?


I hope your not assuming the reliability of a Heep fulltime 4WD applies to a Toyota.

"HEEP" That is so funny!

Koz

I read both I'll expect my $20 within the week, I'll PM you my address

Now of course I post to get a rise out of the V6 guys:arrow: but a V8 with all the same options as a V6 is probably, $300-$1000 dollars more give or take but it really depends on the people who are buying cause the V8 is more of a want it not need it option.

Most guys on this board took the V6 over the V8 for several reason but everyone could afford a V8 4Runner, it's not like the other Auto Makers who offer the bigger engine for $5000 more with all the same options

Damn, Foiled again!

The money really wasn't an issue with me. I paid cash for my V6 and could have and did almost buy the 8. You know my reasons. Leave me your address and I will mail you the 20.

CV