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07-30-2020, 02:26 PM
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Just found this notice its says stock tires
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07-30-2020, 07:29 PM
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Just found this notice its says stock tires
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Yep it's the tires. My 2018 had the same problems with the Dunlops. Too bad it took Toyota this long to acknowledge the problem.
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07-30-2020, 10:31 PM
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Replaced with 265 Goodyear still shook. Now have 285 firestone still shaking.
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07-31-2020, 03:43 PM
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Yeah I drove right to Discount from the dealer to put my Michelins on so only drove the stock tires for about 10 miles.
If I could find a shop that really knows how to balance and has the correct tools I would pay some good money to see if that fixes the issue.
What's crazy is how many opinions are out there yet nobody has seemed to solve it.
We have:
Tire Balance
Bad Tires
Bad Wheels
Bad Rotors
Needle Bearing cassette in the driver's side transaxle
And something about changing the alignment specs
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08-09-2020, 07:50 PM
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Honestly I think it has more to do with the OEM control arm bushings being excessively soft than anything. Unfortunately we don't have bunch of options to fix that yet.
Mine didn't do it until I switched out to Method wheels and 285's. I ran my stock wheels with 2 different sets of 265's and even with wheel spacers-no problem. Although they definitely flat-spotted. I'm on my third set of 285's since May. Probably 8 wheel balances including 2 road force. I currently have the new Toyo Open Country AT3's and they are nice and smooth except for occasionally between 55-65. Although I just rotated them tonight after doing a body mount chop and took them from 32 to 35 psi. No vibrations at all on the way home. But I don't expect that to last.
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Seems to be lasting.... I took it on vacation last week and it was 4.5 hours each way with no shimmy in the steering wheel at all. Knock on wood it's gone. But I'm still swapping out the control arm bushings once I can get my hands on a set of whitelines. Currently on backorder.
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12-09-2020, 06:39 PM
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Checking in on this thread in hopes this can help someone with more info.
I've not yet come to a solution, but hear me out. I think the shop I'm working with is on the right path and I will know more soon.
2019 ORP, TRD wheels. Kind coils in the front and Icon UCAs. Tires are 285 BFGs.
Shook a little brand new off the lot. Dealer said tires were never balanced. This solved the issue at the time.
Fast forward 20k miles and I get a lift and BFG KO2s. Slight shimmy, but Discount Tire fixed it. 5k miles later I go to rotate and it's a mess of a shimmy, so I go back and I'm told that one tire is asking for 15 oz of weight, so there's an issue. I swap it with an identical tire (my spare) and the shimmy is still there, but much less.
After a couple of attempts, they are trying using "smart weight" setting set to off on the Hunter machine, along with the Haweka plats. The interesting thing about "smart weight" setting, is that there are at least 2-3 reports I was able to found on the internet of Toyota using that exact procedure to get rid of the vibe issues on some Lexus 460 models. The tech told me that the total weight didn't really change doing this, but the position of them changed slightly.
Picking up the truck here in the next hour or so and we will see. I was able to be vibe-free for most of the 26k miles I've got on this truck, so I'm confident it's a tire/wheel issue.
Also, I did notice that weather affects the tires. If they sit a few days, they vibe a little until warm. Also when very cold out, they will vibe for a few miles and then smooth out. The vibe I'm referring to is the same one that many are dealing with, showing itself around 58-60 MPH or so.
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12-10-2020, 07:40 PM
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Re-balancing tires solved my vibration problem. It must be balanced on a "Road Force" machine. I tried several shops until I finally found one that could do it correctly and eliminate the shake.
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12-10-2020, 08:17 PM
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I fixed mine by ditching the KO2s. Didn't realize that they were the direct cause of my problem until I tried something different.
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12-16-2020, 03:27 PM
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im only getting vibrations around 30-50mph at 60mph, its smooth. this happened after doing a mild lift, new uca's, and 285 wildpeaks. going to try and get it road forced balance this weekend to hopefully fix the issue.
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12-16-2020, 04:26 PM
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Ok, so I need some help.
I have a 2019 4Runner SR5P with 2” Icon Suspension, 17” SEMA rims and I just put on a new set of Falken Wildpeak A/T3W 275/70R17 C 114S.
Before I changed out the tires from Nitto Ridge Grappler 265/70R17 C 109Q’s, I had a hum that would start around 40mph up to 50mph. The hum was not associated with an out of balance (that I know of) or out of round tire, since I still get it with the new ones. The hum pulsates roughly once a second and is slow, if that makes sense. With the new tire, braking at 40+mph does increase the hum, but is not felt in the pedal, but is felt through the vehicle and steering wheel. The brakes have been check and are not warped. With both the old and new tires I get a noticeable shake in the steering wheel at around 60mph, and a more consistent hum that I think could be associated with the fact that the tires are new and are AT’s. I’m more concerned with the shake of the steering wheel over the amount of road noise.
My thinking is it could be an alignment issue (hopefully) or a bad wheel bearing. It being a “2” year old vehicle I’d hope it wasn’t a bearing.
I’m not using wheel spacers. My last shop visit I had the Toyota mechanics retighten to spec all the suspension hardware. The SEMA rims are also Toyota spec. I have not other major mods beyond a K&N intake (OEM intake box).
Thank you in advance for you thoughts.
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12-16-2020, 07:17 PM
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I have had great success fixing vibrations by jacking the 4r up, loosening the lug nuts, centering the wheel on the studs, tighten the lug nuts with my fingers while slowly rotating the tire and wheel (slow rotation seems to keep wheel centered), then following a torque pattern tighten lug nuts to 50 ft-lbs, and then tighten to final installation torque value. The only times this has not worked is following an alignment when the mechanic didn't tighten things up and when I lost a wheel weight. EVERY time someone other than me pulls a wheel off, I get the vibrations. I firmly believe a lot of the shake comes from jamming the wheels back on with impact guns. I no longer have the dealer or Discount Tire rotate my tires. I do it myself.
FYI- I have KO2s on oem trail wheels, 5100s set at 1.75 front, T13 springs in the rear (1.25 effective rear lift).
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03-04-2021, 01:44 AM
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Another +1 for tire balancing, and that is coming from a skeptic.
I had pretty significant vibration at about 65mph after adding new Cooper ATPs in stock size. I had 4 different shops try to balance them. I was convinced that my 4runner had some other steering issue. Last week I had to give someone a ride down to the Discount Tire and thought “why not while I’m here?” They needed to be rotated anyway.
No idea what they did differently, but now it runs smooth as glass. This is a brand new DT, and they weren’t busy at all, so maybe that helped.
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03-13-2021, 05:35 PM
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I've got this issue as well. There was slight vibration between 55 to 60 with stock wheels/tires on my 20 Limited. It was amplified after upgrading to 20x9 Fuel wheels with 275/55 Pirelli Scorpion AT+. I've never had issues with Pirelli car tires, but maybe they don't have truck tires down yet. I've always runs BFG-AT's in the past on my trucks and never had issues. I didn't get those because they only came in load E in this size. Size roughly maintains overall same height as stock wheel/tire combo.
Had them re-balanced with road force from a custom shop. Still there afterward. Explained the issue, they thought it might be new tire runout, or just not great tires. I've not put enough miles on them to have the balanced again, but almost there in another 500 miles to see if it helps.
A few things I've picked up from this thread:
1) Tire pressure, I'll try that as I know these are 34F/32R. If increase pressure helps, I'll take that as a fix.
2) The torquing of the lub nuts. I initially had normal lugs on, but they were very tight (VERY) with the 21mm socket getting them on off. I replaced them with spine drive. Afterward the shake was worse at same speed. Will try remounting with slow turn and torquing. I've never had issues with how I mounted wheels in the past though, but again worth a shot.
3) The steering rack. Truck has less than 5K miles on it now, and I will take the TSB and info to Toyota when I take in for the 5K maintenance.
It's nuts that a 50K truck has unresolved issues the mfg won't fully support a fix for.
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I’ve got the same issue many have reported as well, on a 2021 ORP with less than 500 miles on it. Steering wheel shimmy from 56-62 or so, and it varies depending on several factors, none of which I’m convinced I understand. Sometimes it is quite bad, sometimes it’s barely noticeable, and sometimes it’s non-existent. On my drive home today, I took off from a stop, turned right and accelerated to 60 with 0 shimmy. Came up to a stop light less than a half mile later, stopped fully, then started back up to 60 again, this time with very noticeable shimmy. No change in the road.
I did switch the tires on it early on, to the new Cooper Rugged Trek in XL load, stock size. Unfortunately my drive home in stock tires was pretty much all highway, so I didn’t really test for shimmy with the stock Bridgestone’s (and wasn’t expecting or knowing to look for that at the time, either). Everything else is stock.
I’ve had my wheels balanced twice, with the last one having quite good road force numbers (low teens, and lower). I’m almost thinking some of these intermittent/variable issues are something non-tire or wheel related. I’ve seen a few people mention lower control arms... I’m going to the dealer this weekend to have an alignment done and will mention this to them. Will report back. It’s extremely disappointing to have to worry about this stuff in general, let alone on a brand new vehicle - a rugged one at that.
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05-21-2021, 10:50 PM
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I’ve got the same issue many have reported as well, on a 2021 ORP with less than 500 miles on it. Steering wheel shimmy from 56-62 or so, and it varies depending on several factors, none of which I’m convinced I understand. Sometimes it is quite bad, sometimes it’s barely noticeable, and sometimes it’s non-existent. On my drive home today, I took off from a stop, turned right and accelerated to 60 with 0 shimmy. Came up to a stop light less than a half mile later, stopped fully, then started back up to 60 again, this time with very noticeable shimmy. No change in the road.
I did switch the tires on it early on, to the new Cooper Rugged Trek in XL load, stock size. Unfortunately my drive home in stock tires was pretty much all highway, so I didn’t really test for shimmy with the stock Bridgestone’s (and wasn’t expecting or knowing to look for that at the time, either). Everything else is stock.
I’ve had my wheels balanced twice, with the last one having quite good road force numbers (low teens, and lower). I’m almost thinking some of these intermittent/variable issues are something non-tire or wheel related. I’ve seen a few people mention lower control arms... I’m going to the dealer this weekend to have an alignment done and will mention this to them. Will report back. It’s extremely disappointing to have to worry about this stuff in general, let alone on a brand new vehicle - a rugged one at that.
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Sorry to bump but just wanted to update for those that might find it useful. I had a new set of KO2’s put on today, and they balanced really well, however I still get the wheel shimmy around 55-62 or so. I have a hard time at this point believing it’s the tires but obviously can’t completely rule it out. I’m going to the dealer tomorrow and will update afterward.
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