It's like with guns, if they're not CA compliant, don't sell them in CA.

California can get by with the cars they deem appropriate for their CARB standards and the rest of the country can buy what they want to instead of being dumped on by regulations of a state I don't ever want to visit, let alone live in.

Why carmakers bother to get ALL their cars up to California spec is a mystery.

Because California is a G10 country all on its own, and has a larger economy than the last 29 states in the US. They also buy approximately that percentage of cars. And geographically, most of their population is subject to this weather phenomenon called in inversion that traps pollutants close to the ground.

So, if almost half the cars you made were sold in a jurisdiction with high pollution controls (which is circular - the more cars, the more reasoning for pollution controls because of the public health impacts (which impact GDP etc etc)), how would you explain to shareholders that you were developing TWO pollution control systems for every make and model? As someone who holds shares in automotive companies, and who votes at those meetings, I'd vote your ass out in heart beat if you were to piss away money that could be dividends to make another system.

So in short, unless your state consumes as much as California, you don't get a vote in how the vehicles are built. I mean, what's your state do, live on federal subsidies to NOT farm land? Or farm corn to go to ethanol because of the subsidies? It's the same crony capitalism from the other side of the aisle.

A lot of cars have two different ECU types: One for California and one for the rest of the world. My 1993 RX-7 came with a California-only ecu and about 10 less hp. lol it was 1st thing a got rid of.

It wouldn't take much to add on California specific emissions garbage and ship those cars over to them without exposing the rest of the country to their crap.

Look how half-assed the air injection octopus looks like on the 2013s, aftermarket Pep Boys installs look more professional. Hell, I would PAY my dealer extra to remove that trash if he could.

Everything sold today is 50 state emissions, at least in the states surrounding me.

The regional emissions circus ended in the early 2000's for some manufacturers (ahem, Nissan), and earlier for some whose shareholders were less tolerant of money being wasted. In fact, I am all for just building EURO6-compliant vehicles for sale worldwide, but the luddites here won't accept sulphur-free diesel fuel.

"Too much extra" is subjective. Sell one system and support one system, or I ain't investing in your car company. At least that's being heard by the people running the car companies these days, and it's the right thing to do.

Pay your dealer or someone else to rip it out then, and void your warranty. It's more dividends for the shareholders because you just reduced corporate liability, so I am in favor. If you want the company to pay for it, buy more shares than I hold and make your voice heard.

You sound like Ford's CEOs.

Profits are way up, quality is way down.

This line of thinking may have made sense 50 years ago, but now there are too many options available to the customer that narrow minded thinking that screws one market for another won't guarantee you business.

Carmakers just need one or two multibillion recalls of emissions crap prematurely ruining engines to get the message. Problem is that Toyota has never been keen on paying out warranty claims.

Back on Topic:

I like the oil filter design. Oil filters are less than $6 from the dealer. So the savings are being passed on to me. The way it's laid out is less messy. I like that too.
Could it be better? Sure! But a spin-on isn't really better.

Advantages of a paper cartridge filter:
1. Lighter, easier to ship.
2. From an engineering perspective, it's MUCH easier to assure filter quality.
3. Filter bypass valve for the life of the vehicle. No more arguments with Federal-Mogul about how their FRAM orange-can filters starve engines of oil.
4. The piping around it cools the oil. Cooler oil == longer life.
5. Easier to dispose of

So in short: it sucks less to service on a lift (or laying on the ground, whatever, except for the skid plate). Does it help the environment? Probably. Is that the main reason? Only if you're a total luddite. Next thing I'll hear you posting about wondering why we can't have carburetors on our 4Runners.

And Ford has other problems in their corporate culture that have serious repercussions on their products. And 50 years ago, even 20 years ago, there were only two legislated emissions standards: Federal and California. At that point, it made sense. Now that you have the "M" and "N" states in on the act, it's cheaper to comply with the highest common denominator than have Federal, California, and Northeast emissions packages again.

Toyota paid my warranty claims just fine, car rentals and accommodations included, outside the region the vehicle was sold in. Maybe it's how you deal with people.

Unless the cars catch fire or fail in other lethal ways, the US government won't force a recall when a service bulletin will do. And think of the bright side - the company can throw 50% more engineering resources at the emissions system and still be ahead - and you get a system that's less likely to fail.

In the meantime, get back to us when you are a market.

He actually sounds like a well informed person who is speaking fact instead of passionate drivel.

I would bet seeing the air you breath has a lot to do with it. But still, Cali has gone way a$$ crazy in the last 20 years.

We can certainly have a long discussions as to the root cause of the logic of those elected by the people in that state. One could argue that their air quality board is a case of "too little, too late" but then everything in that state causes cancer or birth defects according to the labels there. Even buildings, just for existing!

i assume it's cause of the forest fires?

Right, if that were the case, the major carmakers wouldn't bother making separate models for the Canadian or Mexican markets, either (and unique ones at that not available in the US because of emissions, diesel, crash worthiness, etc). Most are made side by side with vehicles for the American market in the Canadian and Mexican plants--and most are penned in the corporate design offices next to their American counterparts.

There are literally millions of cab, engine, drivetrain, interior, and transmission combinations a pickup comes in, and they somehow manage to make all of them instead of making one version and hoping people will run with it.

There's really no reason they couldn't have separate drivetrain and ECU combinations for Commiefornia and the rest of the country, unless you're also saying making the same car with two or three engine choices is so damn hard (Camry, Accord, etc), or a Mexican, Canadian, and American spec one in the same factory or with nearly the same blueprints. It's not cost savings, it's just plain laziness. It would be cheaper to streamline all model lines into one popular engine and transmission choice the way they have with the 4Runners, yet you don't see many manufacturers doing that.

In truth it's led to aerodynamic add ons and engine management crap, transmission shift patterns, oil blends, etc. that most of the country does not need (the majority of the car market is still outside California) and the ideas are so brilliant, political administrations latch on to them and make CARB the law of the land--which is slowly killing off things like diesels, body on frame SUVs, big V8 sedans, etc.

One day when you're driving your unibody crossover SUV with turbocharged four cylinder gas-hybrid engine and low rolling resistance tires think of profitability, politicians, corporate boards and CARB and smile.

Agreed standards by model year, 2011-2025
2011-2025 CAFE standards for each year in miles per gallon.

Light Trucks

"footprint": 75 sq ft (7.0 m2) or bigger (e.g. Ford F-150)



CAFE

EPA Window Sticker


2012

22

17



2013

22.5

17



2014

23

18



2015

23.5

18



2016

24.5

19



2017

25

19



2018

25

19



2019

25

19



2020

25

19



2021

25

19



2022

26

20



2023

27

21



2024

28.5

22



2025

30

23

Image of the land lol. We have these things springing up all over the place.

Might have something to do with this. I've spent 4 years in Lemoore..... Never again!

American Lung Association State of the Air 2013 - Most Polluted Cities