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Old 11-22-2021, 01:45 PM #76
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This is a great thread. A lot of great information.

I have a 2020 Offroad Premium and am having what I'd call extreme poor mileage. I do have some modifications that I suspect are contributing, but they should not at the level that I'm seeing. I have a 2" leveling kit in the front and 285/70R17's KO2's. I also have a bug deflector. I do need to install a 1" body lift to stop my tires from rubbing on a sharp turn in reverse. This won't help, but do want to keep the look and like the performance of the tires. I have less than 1000 miles on it, it's still breaking in also, but still seems extreme.

My mileage is better in town/city than on the highway which is a bit confusing. I actually see the mileage in the city to be around 17MPG average and Highway drop to lower 14MPG's. Also if I drive in the 75 to 80 MPH area it drops to high 13's.

So far, I like the vehicle. It's my first, I traded a Tacoma for it. Not impressed with the power, but it does get me where I need to go.

Wondering if anyone else is seeing anything like this with the 2020.

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2" leveling kit = ruined aerodynamics.. There is a reason vehicles are intentionally raked forward and it has to do with both aerodynamics and dynamic suspension behavior (accel/decel: traction)

Very Heavy, high rolling resistance tires...

Both of these changes will have a much greater impact on the vehicle road load at higher speeds.

Your results are exactly what I would expect.

You will see a small improvement in fuel economy after break-in (~1-3mpg dependent on many conditions).
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The absolute most effective mod you can make is the driver. I've averaged 19.9 MPG over 14k miles on my stock '21 Nightshade. My best is 24.9 MPG over 230 miles of rural highway (55mph) w/ occasional stop signs. I recently achieved 23.1 MPG over 275 miles.

The most significant factors to your fuel economy are speed and acceleration, aerodynamics, mass, and rolling resistance. The engine itself is far less significant (see naturally aspirated v6 vs v8 trucks with essentially same fuel economy rating).

The only significant factors listed above that you can easily impact are speed and acceleration.

Instead of going 80 on the highway, go 75 or 70. The drag force (aero) is approximately inversely proportional to velocity^2. Since the velocity is squared, 70mph^2 (4900) vs 80mph^2 (6400) = a 30% increase in drag force!

Instead of racing to that next light that you can see is RED, just coast to it. If someone gets in front of you before that light, ITS OKAY, you aren't going to arrive at your destination any later. You'll drastically improve your fuel economy and reduce brake and suspension wear.
I don't know how you guys do it. I like to think of myself as a pretty "grandma like" driver and I can't get the average above 17mpg and maybe 21 on the highway. Even when it was bone stock before the 1" level and factory sized c-load KO2s (essentially still stock). 20mpg average seems borderline impossible to me. Maybe there is "grandma" and then there is "super grandma," but 3mpg gain seems crazy.
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I don't know how you guys do it. I like to think of myself as a pretty "grandma like" driver and I can't get the average above 17mpg and maybe 21 on the highway. Even when it was bone stock before the 1" level and factory sized c-load KO2s (essentially still stock). 20mpg average seems borderline impossible to me. Maybe there is "grandma" and then there is "super grandma," but 3mpg gain seems crazy.
The up-n-down hills out there where you live kill the mileage I think. I live closer to the Shore and I routinely get 20 around town and 23 on the Parkway.
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Driving conditions are a huge factor too. If you are in downtown city conditions idling at stop lights for most of your drive there really isn’t much you can do.

I live near Greenville, SC, so my driving is low traffic, rarely true city conditions, and almost always several miles of 45-65 mph stretches with a few or no lights. If I were in a different environment I think 17-18 mpg is the best I could average.
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The up-n-down hills out there where you live kill the mileage I think. I live closer to the Shore and I routinely get 20 around town and 23 on the Parkway.
For sure could be it. I'm down in Cape May frequently and the Parkway trips are always my best tanks. Plus winter blend fuel now doesn't help.
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Still happy with my MPGs overall. It’s not consistent tank to tank but it has been year to year.
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I have a gen3 (306,000 miles) with slightly larger than stock tires and a 2023 TRD OR Premium all stock. The gen3 gets an average of 18MPG on the highway. So far the 23 has done a little better than that averaging 20mpg on the highway.

I've owned a number of 4Runners and what I found with each of them is the biggest difference in my mileage will be wind speed/direction and driving speed. If I'm on 2 lane roads running 65ish I'll hit 19 with the gen3 and 20-21 with the 23. If I'm on the interstate running 78mph that will drop by 2mph on either. If I'm heading into a 20 mph wind all bets are off. Also cold temps and whatever they use for winter fuel will also impact mileage.

Lets face it, if we wanted awesome fuel economy we wouldn't have bought a 4Runner.
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If a dealer did the diffs and transfer case - it's all but guaranteed they used non-synthetic fluids to refill. Toyota uses synthetic gear lubes in all the cases. So you're going to lose some mpg from that, but probably not a lot. Maybe 1mpg.

Do you have an lift, level kit, or aftermarket roof rack? Or even a bug deflector? All of those will hurt your highway mileage. GM did a pretty good study a while back that showed that a bug deflector alone will cost about 1mpg.

The common issue on the 5vz (your 3rd gen 4R) was the O2 sensors. They could essentially wear out, but you wouldn't know because the engine wouldn't identify them as having an issue. So over time they'd slowly cause a slight rich burn condition and fuel mileage would drop. I considered it sort of like preventative maintenance on my 1996. I changed them at 150 and 200k miles. Both times I had a noticeable bump up in fuel economy after.

Those are the big ones I can think of. I don't think I'm aware of any O2 sensor issues on the 5th gens though.

The wheel bearings usually start making a lot of nose is how you know they're bad. Not from anything mpg related. If they were causing excessive drag, they'd overheat and fail pretty fast. They don't have a lot of cooling ability and the thermal runaway happens pretty quick if something goes wrong that increases friction a lot.

The one thing that can cause excess drag and you may not notice is a seized brake caliper or parking brake. After you drive next time put your hand on the wheels. The brakes will probably be kinda hot, so don't burn yourself, but feel if you can for any one of the wheels being a lot hotter than the others. That would suggest a frozen brake caliper.

Could also be your driving - style or the nature of your driving. Lots of city driving of course is going to reduce mpg. Driving north of about 90mph really kills the mpg too. The next time you're on an open stretch of highway on flat ground, reset the mpg calculator and see what it gets at 65mph. For a stock 4Runner you should get around 21mpg.

Finally - double check that your tires are inflated properly.

Those are all the ideas I know of.

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Back in December I was doing work that had the battery disconnected for about an hour and reset the ECM. It then started to experience low idle and intermittent stalling when coming to stop after warming up. I cleaned the MAF to no effect. I cleaned the throttle body which cured the low idle and stalling, but the best mpg we saw on the dash was 16.7 after recycling the ECM. Now we see 15.7 and the calculated mileage of 16 mpg.

Spark plugs are nearing 100K miles, so I have a new set of Denso Iridium Long Life on order. All fluids are synthetic. Rear brake pads recently replaced and front pads have 75% wear left. Recently cleaned and greased pins in front calipers along with greasing the shims and back of pads to eliminate a squeal when backing up on cold mornings. Air filter has about 10K miles on it and is relatively clean.

16 mpg is not going to make or break us, but I would like to recover to 19 mpg.
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@CutthroatSlam 10% drop due to winter fuel wouldn’t be unreasonable… maybe a factor. And/or higher ethanol content (within regulation but higher than your usual station). Extreme cold temps in your area will result in lower mpg too.

Have you cleaned your injectors in awhile? Some seafoam in the tank may help.

Curious how your fuel economy will change in a few months with non winter fuel and more moderate temps.
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@CutthroatSlam 10% drop due to winter fuel wouldn’t be unreasonable… maybe a factor. And/or higher ethanol content (within regulation but higher than your usual station). Extreme cold temps in your area will result in lower mpg too.

Have you cleaned your injectors in awhile? Some seafoam in the tank may help.

Curious how your fuel economy will change in a few months with non winter fuel and more moderate temps.
Have never cleaned fuel injectors.
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Driving through cold, denser air, will also reduce MPG. If the 4Runner gets started to let it 'warmup' before driving, you are getting ZERO MPG during that time, which will bring the MPG average down. Not to mention all the lubricants in the driveline will be thicker due to cold temps, creating more drag, and lowering MPG further.

Cold temperatures reduce MPG all the way around. I wouldn't draw any conclusions about your MPG average, until warmer temps return.
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Driving through cold, denser air, will also reduce MPG. If the 4Runner gets started to let it 'warmup' before driving, you are getting ZERO MPG during that time, which will bring the MPG average down. Not to mention all the lubricants in the driveline will be thicker due to cold temps, creating more drag, and lowering MPG further.

Cold temperatures reduce MPG all the way around. I wouldn't draw any conclusions about your MPG average, until warmer temps return.
Indeed. The vehicle revs higher while it is driving on warmup cycle as well. Shifts to every gear noticeably later, revving higher, until it's up to temp. On my 3 mile commute, I get 16mpg in summer and 13-14mpg in winter, just because the engine is on warm-up cycle for much more of that commute. During summer it will shift into overdrive on a certain 40mph section, which it won't do on the coldest winter days, for example. Thanks to the old-tech mechanical engine fan, it probably takes longer to warm up than any other vehicle, since it actively tries to cool everything down while it's already ice cold.

My lifetime is about 20mpg in mine. I'm never lifting it. If I ever oversize tires, it'll be by an inch or less. I'm on P-metric A/Ts. I have seen a number of 25mpg tanks. I drive conservatively, bleed speed on steep canyons rather than letting it downshift twice, and do not generally cruise over about 73mph. 4.0L is a lot of engine. If you let it rev high, it's gonna suck down fuel. If you did mods that require it to rev high just to function as a basic vehicle keeping up with traffic, it's gonna suck down fuel.
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