[Hellamatic]

Originally Posted by RockyMountainT4R

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FYI: I like Demello over All Pro. This is based on my experience installing them on our FJ Cruisers. Less banging with a hammer trying to get them lined up. I finally had a local shop just weld the All Pros on. Both were sturdy.

My AllPros took a lot of hammering to fit too. Also a bit of grinding. I also had to weld on one side to get them on. If I didn't get mine for free, I wouldn't have bought them.

And as @Intruder mentioned, just helping yourself to a peek up another man's skirt to blatantly copy a competitor's design is also a really shitty thing to do.

[1engineer]

Originally Posted by Hellamatic

My AllPros took a lot of hammering to fit too. Also a bit of grinding. I also had to weld on one side to get them on. If I didn't get mine for free, I wouldn't have bought them.

And as @Intruder mentioned, just helping yourself to a peek up another man's skirt to blatantly copy a competitor's design is also a really shitty thing to do.

In the design world unfortunately it is common. I'm quite sure Toyota owns several Fords, Dodges, Chevys and everyone else's truck. They test them and take them apart piece by piece. It's almost a necessity to know what you are competing against. It is bad form to do it in public because that opens a door that the general public rarely sees.
It's not so much as copying as it is to see how they handled a specific problem or challenge. If you are the leader in a specific industry it happens a lot more. Believe it or not copying something is not the first reason for doing it. It is to figure out how they did it and make it better, cheaper, stronger or any other words that end in "er." Pretty sure GM bought a whole bunch of Tacomas when they were developing their new midsize truck. I doubt any company that designs things for a living and has a competitor does not know the competitive machine or component as well as they know their own.
Sorry to go off topic! Back to your regularly scheduled program of sliders.

[3wbdriver]

Originally Posted by 1engineer

In the design world unfortunately it is common. I'm quite sure Toyota owns several Fords, Dodges, Chevys and everyone else's truck. They test them and take them apart piece by piece. It's almost a necessity to know what you are competing against. It is bad form to do it in public because that opens a door that the general public rarely sees.

Sorry to go off topic! Back to your regularly scheduled program of sliders.

The company that actually created the first Jeep in 1940 had this happen to them. The Army allowed Willys and Ford reps to get a good long look at it and crawl all over it while it was being tested (both companies had declined to build for the competition). They were then given extensions to make their own prototypes, and that company (American Bantam) was then forced out of getting any production when the contracts were awarded.

Did I happen to mention my nickname is CJ for a reason?

[jicko]

Originally Posted by Jhalko

Amazing work!

My only thought is that I don't think shrockworks can get anything out the door in less than 3 months.

The latest Jicko Shrockworks GB is deadlined at 3mos. Therefore I assumed that ALL ORDERS will be out their door in less than 3mos, or else, participants will get additional 10% off (which may not be a bad thing).

[jicko]

Originally Posted by 1engineer

In the design world unfortunately it is common. I'm quite sure Toyota owns several Fords, Dodges, Chevys and everyone else's truck. They test them and take them apart piece by piece. It's almost a necessity to know what you are competing against.

There is a difference between "learning from your competition" (learning from their mistake, or improving from them with your ideas) vs "just bluntly copy".

From what I have heard, All-Pro *just* copy.... rather than taking the learn, research and develop path.... that's NO CLASS....

[Jhalko]

Originally Posted by jicko

The latest Jicko Shrockworks GB is deadlined at 3mos. Therefore I assumed that ALL ORDERS will be out their door in less than 3mos, or else, participants will get additional 10% off (which may not be a bad thing).

Then it'll be 11 weeks, 6 days, 23 hours, and 59 minutes.

[jicko]

Originally Posted by Jhalko

Then it'll be 11 weeks, 6 days, 23 hours, and 59 minutes.

That's VERY likely! LOL.

[96r50]

Originally Posted by 3wbdriver

The company that actually created the first Jeep in 1940 had this happen to them. The Army allowed Willys and Ford reps to get a good long look at it and crawl all over it while it was being tested (both companies had declined to build for the competition). They were then given extensions to make their own prototypes, and that company (American Bantam) was then forced out of getting any production when the contracts were awarded.

Did I happen to mention my nickname is CJ for a reason?

And then Toyota copied them and made the FJ (the 25 and 40 series, not the FJ Cruiser!).

[paulndot]

Thanks HerT4R!! These "compilation" threads are a great tool. I used to spend HOURS on another forum with endless searches for information I was looking for. People like you make these forums!!

[AudiTech]

I didn't go through and read all the replies but is there a list of whats directly compatible with XREAS?

[3wbdriver]

Hey @HerT4R , thanks again for compiling this master list! I'm going to take about 20 minutes and read all of the 39 replies you've gotten so far to see what additional information there is since you started the thread! Ta!

[Rob71]

Originally Posted by 3wbdriver

Hey @HerT4R , thanks again for compiling this master list! I'm going to take about 20 minutes and read all of the 39 replies you've gotten so far to see what additional information there is since you started the thread! Ta!

I think I will order OPOR sliders next month. no drilling, but will have them powdered coded comes to $600 KDSS friendly.

[4runnerTRDPR0]

Hey guys... Wanted to add my recent install of metaltech4x4 sliders MT to this discussion as this was the thread I used to make a decision on my buy....it came down to either budbuilt or MT or shrockworks.. Went with MT due to their military discount and not having to wait so long for the sliders to come in ... My selection emphasized on a straight bolt onto the frame, MT's were installed in about 45 mins with the help of the wifey ...

[scanny]

Great thread, I think it's gotta be sticky. Mods?

[3wbdriver]

Originally Posted by scanny

Great thread, I think it's gotta be sticky. Mods?

Have you checked the FAQ?