12-30-2015, 10:36 PM
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I have a Uniden 520xl in my jeep and when I add a CB to my 4runner that's whats going in. It's a small, cheap unit with a fairly loud speaker and it's had no problem with the elements when I have the top and doors off of my Jeep.
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01-14-2016, 10:16 AM
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So I am using the 5th gen rear taillight mount from the group buy thread for my CB antenna and need to find a good ground
The electrical grommet at the top of the tailgate looks like a good place for the antenna cable, but what should I use to ground the antenna? Are there any good bolts under the taillight? There are no obvious good spots, so I may need to get an NGB antenna if I can't find an existing bolt.
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01-14-2016, 12:31 PM
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Looked through the group buy thread, couldn't really tell how its actually mounted, but it should be bolted to the body pretty well. That should give you a decent ground by just bolting the mount to the body, but if you want/need a better ground, run a ground strap behind the light and drop it to the frame, I believe there's a channel that will get it all the way to that point.
Couple of things here, make sure to remove the paint where you mount it with either some sandpaper or (my preference) a dremel with a small wire wheel. Also, make sure you put some dielectric grease over the bare metal so it doesn't rust! Personally, I use copper antenna paste, but only because I have a bunch of it for my ham antennas. You can find this at almost every ham shop.
This also applies to the frame if you run a strap down from the mount.
And I wouldn't bother with the NGP antennas, they don't work nearly as well as a true grounded antenna, can be very finicky where you have it mounted, and are more expensive than just a nice, tried and true, Firestik or similar antenna.
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01-14-2016, 01:17 PM
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I just picked up the Midland 75-822 with a Firestik antenna. Used it last weekend in snow trip, works perfectly for its intention. Communicate amount the group. Have not tested beyond the 1-2 miles range. I got it for its review and portability when going camping or out of the truck. Its small and easy to hide/store in my armrest. It has weather and emergency channel, the only thing needed is a swr for fine tuning it.
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01-14-2016, 01:37 PM
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I used the same Midland 75-822 in my old car with a tuned k40 magnetic antenna and got about 5 mile range on the interstate (i.e. good line of sight). I used it as a handheld a few times to coordinate a large project site and it performed well enough (obviously wasn't expecting the same range as a portable)
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01-14-2016, 01:42 PM
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my $0.02
Go with an EXPORT radio that gets 10 (HAM), 11(CB) & 12 (HAM) meter bands.
i got the RCI 2970N2
best of both worlds.
check out CBRADIOMAGAZINE.COM for reviews.
CBRadioMagazine.com - The only online CB Magazine in the world
Also to clear up the SWR (standing wave ratio):
SWR needs to be tuned so that you do not damage your radio. Too high of an SWR will fry your radio. It has nothing to do with transmitting.
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01-14-2016, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by flyinhawaiian01
Looked through the group buy thread, couldn't really tell how its actually mounted, but it should be bolted to the body pretty well. That should give you a decent ground by just bolting the mount to the body, but if you want/need a better ground, run a ground strap behind the light and drop it to the frame, I believe there's a channel that will get it all the way to that point.
Couple of things here, make sure to remove the paint where you mount it with either some sandpaper or (my preference) a dremel with a small wire wheel. Also, make sure you put some dielectric grease over the bare metal so it doesn't rust! Personally, I use copper antenna paste, but only because I have a bunch of it for my ham antennas. You can find this at almost every ham shop.
This also applies to the frame if you run a strap down from the mount.
And I wouldn't bother with the NGP antennas, they don't work nearly as well as a true grounded antenna, can be very finicky where you have it mounted, and are more expensive than just a nice, tried and true, Firestik or similar antenna.
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Totally agree. NGP antennas really aren't worth it and have read of tuning problems when using them on a vehicle with a ground plane. Only good for a boat/motorhome/other mainly fiberglass vehicles.
Your ground will really determine the usefulness of your radio. Flyinghawaiian makes great points about making sure that the ground is touching bare metal, no paint, and even going a step further and running a ground strap to the frame which would just about ensure a good ground.
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01-14-2016, 09:57 PM
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"Export" radios are usually 10-meters. From the manufacturer these won't have access to the 11 meter band (CB). Many can be "free banded" to tx and rx on those frequencies but it's rather frowned upon (illegal) in the eyes of the FCC.
Googling can provide you with a wealth of info on that subject. Better to focus on setting up a well-tuned and grounded antenna though. With that and most any CB on the market the OP's intended use should be well taken care.
If not, just like our trucks, plenty of fun ways to spend money
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01-14-2016, 11:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jmf_tracy
Also to clear up the SWR (standing wave ratio):
SWR needs to be tuned so that you do not damage your radio. Too high of an SWR will fry your radio. It has nothing to do with transmitting.
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say WHAT??!?!?!?!?!?!
First of all, that RCI radio you have is not going to do anything more for you on the ham bands, you don't have a ham license and aren't allowed on there. Maybe in an emergency you can use it, but most hams will not even bother talking to someone who doesn't ID with a callsign! That radio is really only good for backchannels, if you're into that sort of thing!
Also, swr has EVERYTHING to do with transmitting! You cannot "fry"' a radio with bad swr without transmitting, that's the whole point of transmitting to check the swr!
Before I was a ham, I was a cb'er, and yes, I played on the superbowl channel daily, ran 1200 watts from my TNT 600 plus with supertuner and a steel 102" whip off the back of my truck. I know all about swr, and Ii also know that just because you have a 25 watt rci radio, it does NOT mean you will be way louder than anyone else. In fact, do you know that to move just 1 S-unit up (3db) on the meter, you have to triple your power? So, with 25 watts output, you essentially move up 1 S-unit and change.
Sorry, but I just hate it when people pass on misinformation, it allows others to repeat it, and soon everybody takes it as gospel. Tune the antenna properly, use a quality 5/8ths wave or 1/4 wave whip antenna, run the legal 4 watts output and enjoy it for what it is. If you really dig radios, get the ham license and run 1500 watts legally!
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01-15-2016, 11:01 AM
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I have a Midland 75-822 with a 6ft whip (I also have a 4ft Firestik) and have used it with good results. It will be going on my 4Runner.
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01-15-2016, 08:29 PM
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just curious, who is it that's going to come after you for using a 10 meter radio? Ive been using them for years in my work truck, haven't ran into the radio police yet.
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01-16-2016, 02:24 PM
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FCC used to monitor out of banders all the time, obviously they don't care much any more, as a quick scan above 27.405 is scattered with people talking on those frequencies.
However, when you're between 28-29.700mhz, if you're consistently on there and disrupting ham traffic, most of those guys will warn you once, then call their local FCC office to report it. Of course, the 10m band isn't normally open for dx, so you probably won't hear much on there anyways.
Personally, I could give a shit where anyone transmits, so long as you don't act like an ass and transmit just to disrupt other people having a conversation.
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07-28-2016, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by flyinhawaiian01
Ya know, its pointless to go with a ham radio, if all you are looking for is communicating on the trails with a group.
FACT
A regular old cb setup will run you around a 100 bucks with antenna, mount and radio, whereas a ham that is capable of being used on the cb frequencies (illegally, might I add), will be around 400 bucks minimum for the rig, then another 30-40 bucks for antenna and coax.
I disagree, CB's can be had new for about $20 (even less for used) then about $20 for the antenna and maybe $10 for the coax
So, my suggestion would be to get a nice cb that has just two knobs, volume and squelch, preferably from either Cobra or Uniden, install it and just have fun with your sub-100 dollar investment, knowing that if you're going wheeling with a club, chances are most everyone has a cb, and if its an established club, most likely a requirement for running trails!
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Maybe some people dont want to spend $500+ on a ham or maybe they cant..
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07-28-2016, 10:36 PM
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Someone must have failed the HAM exam
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07-28-2016, 10:39 PM
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Maybe some people dont want to spend $500+ on a ham or maybe they cant..
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Why are you resurrecting old threads to start arguments? With your post count I'd expect better.
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