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Old 02-01-2017, 10:58 PM #31
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Winch mount/bumper for Limited



The extra cut out to the left is for the multimount plug.

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I just installed the CBI hidden hitch on my Limited to use a Warn Multimount M8000. It fit great and you can't even see it if you're not looking for it. Quick cut on the black grill insert. It holds the winch nice and high.
The biggest issue with Multimount as it cuts approach angle and if you stuck nose down, thee is nothing you can do to get it in.
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I have always been surprised at how many aftermarket products there are for the 4runners. There really isn't that many of them. A hundred thousand or so a year in the United States. It isn't like the F-Series trucks were it is 10x that value in a year.

So my thoughts are that there can't be that many aftermarket bumpers sold for the 4runners. Has to be a small percentage. How many bumpers does a manufacturer actually make in a year and sell for a 4runner. Is it 1000, or a 100, or is it 10?
First, the total number of vehicles isn't critical with aftermarket support. The critical number is how many vehicles have owners willing to do mods. There are way more Corollas than 4Runners, but very few people want to mod a Corolla. There are way FEWER FJ's than 4Runners (<20k per year before being discontinued), but MORE aftermarket support because more owners wanted to buy mods.

Second, the majority of complex aftermarket parts (suspension components, lockers, etc.) were put out there because the parts are shared with other vehicles. A lot of sharing goes on between the FJ, Tacoma, Lexus GX, and even past 4Runner generations. Going worldwide, you've got the Fortuner, Hilux, and Land Cruiser Prado. There is absolutely no way ARB would spend the money to develop a locker specific to the 5th Gen 4Runner. Similar with things like the cheap damage-multiplier bull bars and grill guards; they aren't form-fitting so they fit multiple vehicles.

And finally, vehicle-specific bolt-on armor pieces (bumpers, sliders, skids) are typically simple make-on-demand items out of shops that product products for a large variety of vehicles. None of these places have warehouses full of 4Runner bumpers, except maybe a few extra items here and there made during down-time. You send the money, they add your product to the fab queue. They do have the up-front cost of mocking up and test-fitting a sample, then making plans and templates for future production, but those costs are absorbed in the final price. The R&D costs spread across low sales numbers are the reason why a hundred dollars in steel plus a few shop hours cutting and welding ends up costing over a thousand $. Still much cheaper than a custom fabricated piece. As the current generation vehicles gets older more people should start cutting and modding, so maybe prices will drop.
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First, the total number of vehicles isn't critical with aftermarket support. The critical number is how many vehicles have owners willing to do mods. There are way more Corollas than 4Runners, but very few people want to mod a Corolla. There are way FEWER FJ's than 4Runners (<20k per year before being discontinued), but MORE aftermarket support because more owners wanted to buy mods.

Second, the majority of complex aftermarket parts (suspension components, lockers, etc.) were put out there because the parts are shared with other vehicles. A lot of sharing goes on between the FJ, Tacoma, Lexus GX, and even past 4Runner generations. Going worldwide, you've got the Fortuner, Hilux, and Land Cruiser Prado. There is absolutely no way ARB would spend the money to develop a locker specific to the 5th Gen 4Runner. Similar with things like the cheap damage-multiplier bull bars and grill guards; they aren't form-fitting so they fit multiple vehicles.

And finally, vehicle-specific bolt-on armor pieces (bumpers, sliders, skids) are typically simple make-on-demand items out of shops that product products for a large variety of vehicles. None of these places have warehouses full of 4Runner bumpers, except maybe a few extra items here and there made during down-time. You send the money, they add your product to the fab queue. They do have the up-front cost of mocking up and test-fitting a sample, then making plans and templates for future production, but those costs are absorbed in the final price. The R&D costs spread across low sales numbers are the reason why a hundred dollars in steel plus a few shop hours cutting and welding ends up costing over a thousand $. Still much cheaper than a custom fabricated piece. As the current generation vehicles gets older more people should start cutting and modding, so maybe prices will drop.
I am not talking about Toyota Corollas or Prius... Trucks. I specifically mentioned the Ford F-Series.

I am also fully aware of how much R&D goes into this stuff. I have dumped more money then my 4runner was brand new into modding my truck.

I agree partially with you. But it is pretty simple. Even if half of the 4runner owners modded their vehicles it is a drop in the bucket compared to the truck market.

If truly what you say is true that a larger percentage of 4runner owners mod their vehicles compared to truck owners. Then with that same logic I would expect to apply to Limited owners as well.

My main question is just if if they make 20 bumpers a year or is it 200? If the limited one costs 3-4-500 bucks more I think you would be surprised at what people would buy. Even if it makes no sense to put one of these on a limited model.
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If I can find the picture, I saw a '16+ Limited with a Southern Slimline, they had cut out the middle of the grill. The faux chrome piece was still there on the edges, maybe if they had painted that it would have looked better. My assumption is that at least the SSS fits if you are willing to cut. That picture is on my desktop somewhere as I was just sorting through pics the other night...

You can also replace the LE front bumper cover with the SR5 and then add any slimline bumper, see awesome job @Magnetic4R did in post 12464 here:
What did you do to/in your 5th Gen today?!

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Don't suppose you ever found that picture of the slimline on a 2016 Limited did you? I've been searching and looking at options and I like what that bumper has to offer. Just curious how it's going to ultimately look on the limited front end after cutting.
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Don't suppose you ever found that picture of the slimline on a 2016 Limited did you? I've been searching and looking at options and I like what that bumper has to offer. Just curious how it's going to ultimately look on the limited front end after cutting.
Actually I remembered that someone wanted that picture but couldn't remember who. When I was updating my build thread I posted it in there so I'd have it!

Post #68 sorry it isn't better quality, it was a quick iPhone pic on a 5s I think.

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Post #68 sorry it isn't better quality, it was a quick iPhone pic on a 5s I think.

Jhalko's 2011 Limited build/travel thread
Yeah hard to tell...but it does answer at least one question about the chrome trim. I think something would need to be done with it if I do end up cutting for the slimline. Thanks for the reply!
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A custom hidden winch or slimline style could be built by a fab shop. I'm not an expert at bumpers nor have I built one like it before and it took me about 6hours or so to fab a custom hidden winch mount for my trail edition. Assuming the bumper clearance is similar underneath, I think a fab shop would build you a custom one to fit in about the same time. At the time I didn't have CNC burn table available either - so I had to make it all from hand cut parts.

The limited has an easier bumper to make look pretty with a partial winch bumper. On a limited I would not cut the front bumper. I think I could fab one easy enough that would use a steel cover plate overtop of the existing bumper with a few holes through it for mounting hardware that would effectively sandwich the lower cross bar.

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At this point in time we really arent interested in making a version for the limited. If we continue to get more people asking about one, then maybe we will consider it.
I have a 2011 Limited and would love to send some money to you for a slim style bumper
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At this point in time we really arent interested in making a version for the limited. If we continue to get more people asking about one, then maybe we will consider it.
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Just came across this thread about a winch mount for the 5th gen limited, and decided to re-post my mod:

Winch options for 2014s yet?
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At this point in time we really arent interested in making a version for the limited. If we continue to get more people asking about one, then maybe we will consider it.
Add me to the list too.

Has anyone found any instructions on how to cut the Limited bumper to make it fit? Or even a high res picture would be sufficient.

C4 if you have customers who has done it already, please refer.

I'm prepping my 2017 LE for an over-landing trip (so far had been a passenger only).
No offense, unless the whole car is fully armored, on 285 tires and covered with mud to the roof, I find full bumpers really ugly. Low profile bumper option looks so appealing, it makes a lot more aggressive look while still preserving elegance, adds a lot more protection, lights and winch option.

My plan was to trim off the bumper at the bottom + adding the low-profile bumper, until i found none of 4 manufacturers I found so far selling the subject have LE option.

Any help with it is really appreciated.
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What about these?

Store - Hefty Fabworks

Store - Hefty Fabworks

I wanted to add two photos from this store, which specifically show front bumpers on a 5th generation Limited, but I'm asked for the "url" of the photo? So, if it's just a screen shot that I have, I don't think it has a url.

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Photos of bumpers for Limited

So, I'm trying "manage attachments" and it looks like a photo was successfully uploaded. Here goes
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Trying that photo again--bigger size with info at bottom

Better photo, I hope
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