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Old 11-21-2020, 11:32 AM #2701
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I'm want make sure I'm ordering the correct components. I'm looking for a 2.75"/2" lift. I usually run around with minimal weight except for occasionally camping/overlanding trips (4 times a year). Is this correct for what I'm looking for?

Front: C59-300 (red) + GS59-574 (black)
Rear: C59-325(red) + GS59-705 (black)
Dobinson UCA + Diff Drop

Also, are the Extended Rear Swaybar End Link Kit recommended with this suspension setup even though the GS59-705 are not the long travel?

Thanks!
Yes that is all correct. That will get you that lift height you're looking for.

The sway bar links realign the sway bar to a more neutral position which allows for better articulation. The sway bar at a steep angle can inhibit the flex a bit. Someone on here posted photos with and without a few years ago and he had noticeable difference in flex left to right.
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@Crikeymike finally getting around to adding bumpers. Totally owe you for my meltdown last year lmao. Starting in the rear so I ordered c59-327 in black from you.

Have a question about adding the LT front strut and 2” spring in the front to get 3” of lift (kdss). Will the cv’s actually bind at full droop or is adding a diff drop just the manufactures recommendation? What have you seen personally? From everything I’ve read the diff drop barely accomplishes much change in angle and drops your skids.

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TLDR: monotubes cool off much quicker and I'm pretty pleased with the IMS rears!

Finally had a chance today to do some mid-speed runs (30-40mph) over a heavily corrugated/mogul heavy trail. Much more corrugated than anything I've experienced in Death Valley for sure. After a half mile or so section, I took the surface temps of my shocks (twin tubes in front and monotubes in rear). Before getting to the temps, I gotta say I'm really happy I made the switch from 705 valving to the 701 valving (50701 shocks). The rear is SOOO much more controlled now on the rough trails. Yea I can feel more on road but the trade off was worth it for the off road control.

Anyways back to the shock temps.

Always heard that monotube shocks cool off quicker than twintubes. Made sense due to how they are constructed differently but never got to test it till now. Did a mogul heavy trail today and got my rear IMS monotubes up to 235f. Front twintubes were around 155f. Both temps were surface temps so actual fluid temps were likely higher.

After taking a short 6 - 8 min break, the twin tubes dropped to 140f while the IMS monotubes dropped to 175-180f. With these numbers in mind, I'll eventually switch the fronts to IMS when my current ones fail!
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@Crikeymike finally getting around to adding bumpers. Totally owe you for my meltdown last year lmao. Starting in the rear so I ordered c59-327 in black from you.

Have a question about adding the LT front strut and 2” spring in the front to get 3” of lift (kdss). Will the cv’s actually bind at full droop or is adding a diff drop just the manufactures recommendation? What have you seen personally? From everything I’ve read the diff drop barely accomplishes much change in angle and drops your skids.

Thanks mike
Hey man. Nice, upgrade time!!

So the longer travel front GS59-574 max out the CV's at full droop to the point of almost binding under the weight of the vehicle. That's why we recommend a diff drop kit. I was the first to run them in the UCA, and when you rotate the wheel at full droop without a diff drop kit, you can feel the resistance starting there. If the tire had a chance to pull the suspension down a bit further, it would be binding for sure. Adding the diff drop kit made enough difference to reduce that binding.

Whenever people say "this" or "that" about a diff drop kit, they need to ask about the overall travel of the struts. Regular Bilsteins, Dobinsons, OME, etc don't have the full droop that the *574 options do from Dobinsons, and don't need a diff drop.

But also, if you'll never get the wheels in the air (aka jumping or flying fast offroad), then you'll never get the CV's to that binding position most likely.
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TLDR: monotubes cool off much quicker and I'm pretty pleased with the IMS rears!

Finally had a chance today to do some mid-speed runs (30-40mph) over a heavily corrugated/mogul heavy trail. Much more corrugated than anything I've experienced in Death Valley for sure. After a half mile or so section, I took the surface temps of my shocks (twin tubes in front and monotubes in rear). Before getting to the temps, I gotta say I'm really happy I made the switch from 705 valving to the 701 valving (50701 shocks). The rear is SOOO much more controlled now on the rough trails. Yea I can feel more on road but the trade off was worth it for the off road control.

Anyways back to the shock temps.

Always heard that monotube shocks cool off quicker than twintubes. Made sense due to how they are constructed differently but never got to test it till now. Did a mogul heavy trail today and got my rear IMS monotubes up to 235f. Front twintubes were around 155f. Both temps were surface temps so actual fluid temps were likely higher.

After taking a short 6 - 8 min break, the twin tubes dropped to 140f while the IMS monotubes dropped to 175-180f. With these numbers in mind, I'll eventually switch the fronts to IMS when my current ones fail!
Nice, that's really good feedback Kevin!!
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Hey man. Nice, upgrade time!!

So the longer travel front GS59-574 max out the CV's at full droop to the point of almost binding under the weight of the vehicle. That's why we recommend a diff drop kit. I was the first to run them in the UCA, and when you rotate the wheel at full droop without a diff drop kit, you can feel the resistance starting there. If the tire had a chance to pull the suspension down a bit further, it would be binding for sure. Adding the diff drop kit made enough difference to reduce that binding.

Whenever people say "this" or "that" about a diff drop kit, they need to ask about the overall travel of the struts. Regular Bilsteins, Dobinsons, OME, etc don't have the full droop that the *574 options do from Dobinsons, and don't need a diff drop.

But also, if you'll never get the wheels in the air (aka jumping or flying fast offroad), then you'll never get the CV's to that binding position most likely.
Fair enough. My current ride height up front at 2.5” is acceptable. C59-352 is my next consideration(120lb bumper + winch).

2.5”/2” lift adding an inch of rake with the 327’s I ordered for the rear. This a common setup?
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Fair enough. My current ride height up front at 2.5” is acceptable. C59-352 is my next consideration(120lb bumper + winch).

2.5”/2” lift adding an inch of rake with the 327’s I ordered for the rear. This a common setup?
Heaps of guys are running a similar rake setup, about 1.5" of rake when it's all said and done. Good for being able to load up the rear without getting less than level. I think more people are doing 2"/1.5", but it yields the same rake results.
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Another data point for Dobinsons/Exit Offroad. I messaged Mike on Sunday. He responded Monday. Parts ordered on Tuesday night. Assembled/shipped on Wednesday. Delivered on Monday. Can't beat that!

Parts installed: C59-300 front coils. GS59-700 front struts. C59-599 rear coils. GS59-705 rear shocks.

Parts removed: Bilstein 6112 (busted). Bilstien 5100 rear shocks. OEM rear coils.

Tires: 265/70/17

Current hub to wheel well measurements after 150 miles: 22.50" Front. 23.25" Rear.

Took a nice 120 mile drive today. 100 miles on the hwy at 70-80 mph. 20 miles on the dirt at 30-50 mph. This setup rides great. Two thumbs up.


2,000 mile/new tire update

I've seen minimal, if any settling or loss of lift. Still 100% happy with this setup. My current center of hub to fender measurements are:

Driver Front: 22.25"
Passenger Front: 22.50"
Driver Rear: 23.00"
Passenger Rear: 23.25"

The 265/70/17 BFGs were just a bit too small for this much lift and didn't look right. Stepped it up to a new set of General Grabber A/TX in 275/70/17 yesterday.

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352's in black for the front just backordered.

2.5"/2" it is.

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