i called nitto about this and their rep told me that both the C and E load tires are both 6 ply (at least in the 265/70 flavor). i went with C

37 psi on road for c load

Per Nitto and Discount Tire websites the Ridge Grappler in 285’s are 10 ply.

I was ready to order the C load Ridge Grapplers but MY GOD those suckers are heavy! With a 50 lb C load BFG KO2 being an option now at 7 lbs lighter per tire, I guess my mind is made up. Kinda sucks because I love the look of the Nitto. Oh well, KO2’s have treated me well up to this point.

They are very heavy but man do they look good. I also like the Nitto due to newer design and newer tire chemistry. I did lose about 1mpg going from P-rated Trail to Ridge Grapplers.

I debated for a long time on this as well.

The clincher was I didn't like the ride coming off 275 KO2s E-rated so I went with the C-rated 285s.

The ride is way better although there is no weight difference between the E and C load in the 285 size. It does as stated many times before, come down to your ride stiffness and outroad preference.

Very happy with the C-rated myself though.

You went with the BFG’s or the Nitto’s? The BFG 285 C’s shaved a lot of weight. Confused how Nitto could not shave any on their C load 285.

Nitto Ridge 285 C, I had 275 KO2s in 275. The ride was terrible with the KO2 E loads.

Yes, I have had the BFG’s in both a 275 and a 285 load E and they are definitely stiff, but also bulletproof. I am looking forward to trying out the BFG in a C. The 285/70-17 is only 50 lbs. I love that.

Quick question.

Anyone used the SL version of this tire which is 4 ply? I've seen a 285/70/17 (116Q SL BSW) which is lighter that I'm interested in getting due to the weight.

Anyone care to share their experiences with this load range.

Thanks in advanced.

I debated over this choice for a month and finally decided on the C. I got my Ridge Grapplers installed yesterday and halfway through the process realized I had somehow ended up with E-rated tires. No idea how but so far so good as far as the ride. I carry a ton of stuff and do air down some, so I guess I'll find out one way or another.

I ran the P series stock size in the Falken Wildpeak AT3W and I’ll be honest...that tire was a beast. It was great on the pavement, I towed regularly and I off road more than anyone I know. I NEVER had an issue with the P series tire even aired down to 20. I shared my experience with a Jeep friend who also went P rated and he hasn’t had one issue either.

I’m currently running the KO2 285 in C load only because I have a Rubicon friend who sold me all 5 at a price I couldn’t pass. It’s nice having the peace of mind of the C load, but my worries about the P series were always only in my head. The P series never failed me in my Midwest wheeling. I’m considering going RGs next and would consider the P series from my experience. I’d probably worry about the perceived ruggedness but, again, it’s all talk. The P series is good for most people after my experience.


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I gotta say, switching to the E-load Ridge Grapplers after 10 months on my Terra Grapplers, the ride seems almost unchanged, minus maybe a .5 mpg drop. No harshness or sluggishness whatsoever. Pretty excited about the extra protection for my trips to the mountains this year.

That's very interesting, I have 1,750 off-pavement miles on my P265 70 17 Wildpeaks and I do NOT air them down. There is no need. The one time I had a sidewall burst was when I did air down. There is plenty of flex at 33 psi and comfort is great also. I also had one puncture at 33 psi but that was not as irritating.

I have had no issues in Utah, Montana or northern AZ, both problems occurred in the Sonoran Desert which is harsher.

But, yes, I like the Wildpeaks a great deal, coming from LT-D KO2/P-metric Continental AT combo (trip/town) on my previous vehicle.

I love the performance everywhere and the fact that I do not have to air down is a HUGE difference maker for me. It would take a sidewall failure at 30sh psi in a bad spot to push me into 3-ply sidewall tires again.

Interesting that you had two failure on P series and you’re not deterred...

The Wildpeak IS a great tired but obsessing over these RGs right now. If I were buying today, I can’t honestly say I’d pony up the extra money for the peace of mind but I’m feeling like I might just so I’m not regretting it on the trail.

And I agree on tire pressure. I did most of my off roading at 30 with the P series. I went down to 20 in sand but the sidewall isn’t exactly getting abused there.


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