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If you stay on road most of the time, the 5100s are perfect. Don't buy the TRD stuff.
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I have to say I am really shocked (no pun intended) by the Bilstein issues people talk about. This is my first off road rig in 25 years and I can say on the car side of things Bilsteins are awesome. Beat the life out of B8 (sport in the old days) shocks on several platforms and they just kept right on going. And when I say beat, I mean lots of track days, rallies, auto-x , etc. all on lowered springs and street driven on shitty roads. even ran some PSS's (B14 or 16 now?) that never had an issue. I truly wonder why their off road stuff is considered entry level or sub par by so many? Or is this just a matter of small sample size with only the bad experiences speaking up?
I ask cause I had planned to do 5100's for my 99.5% on the road SR5 to improve the ride and kill the nose dive as much as possible without destroying the compliance. Is it just the rear 5160's that are problematic? Does it make more sense to buy the TRD stuff in stead of a 6112/5160 set up? Sorry for so many questions, I am finding so much conflicting info the more I read...
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07-25-2017, 06:46 PM
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Dude you and me both smh... As soon as you think your starting to establish a trend it goes to hell. It's exhausting.
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Sorry for so many questions, I am finding so much conflicting info the more I read...
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07-25-2017, 06:51 PM
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This is EXACTLY the balance I'm within and tearing through different peoples "Reviews" or perspective is ugh blah..
I'm a 99/1% for sure. Mostly on road/commuter, with some exploring off road from time to time or a random trip up to Sedona AZ and play around on Schnebly or some of the trails up there. But very infrequently.
The lift that I THINK I've come to terms on to hopefully cater to both on road manners, and reliable longevity with an ability to do a little "Fireroad/mild trail" exploring is the following:
6112's in front set to approx 2"-2.25"
5100's in rear w/wheeler T13 1.5" coil.
Also trying to accomplish the lift above while not creating excessive rake. Kind of where I'm at for now.
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If you stay on road most of the time, the 5100s are perfect. Don't buy the TRD stuff.
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07-26-2017, 12:15 AM
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Hmm. Your plan is fine but it is a little mismatched front to rear performance wise. It is preferable to keep the systems the same since bilstein tuned the shocks to work together. 6112 is a larger/stronger shock than the 5100.
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This is EXACTLY the balance I'm within and tearing through different peoples "Reviews" or perspective is ugh blah..
I'm a 99/1% for sure. Mostly on road/commuter, with some exploring off road from time to time or a random trip up to Sedona AZ and play around on Schnebly or some of the trails up there. But very infrequently.
The lift that I THINK I've come to terms on to hopefully cater to both on road manners, and reliable longevity with an ability to do a little "Fireroad/mild trail" exploring is the following:
6112's in front set to approx 2"-2.25"
5100's in rear w/wheeler T13 1.5" coil.
Also trying to accomplish the lift above while not creating excessive rake. Kind of where I'm at for now.
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07-26-2017, 10:12 AM
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Sure thats understandable, but there is no 6112 rear so you can't match exactly, and being a rear shock, I've had a number of folks say it's more then enough for a rear. Which would make sense since the front is taking a lot more of the brunt of performance with the added engine weight.
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Hmm. Your plan is fine but it is a little mismatched front to rear performance wise. It is preferable to keep the systems the same since bilstein tuned the shocks to work together. 6112 is a larger/stronger shock than the 5100.
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07-26-2017, 10:17 AM
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Hmm. Your plan is fine but it is a little mismatched front to rear performance wise. It is preferable to keep the systems the same since bilstein tuned the shocks to work together. 6112 is a larger/stronger shock than the 5100.
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Agreed. If an analogy could be made, I would think of it has having 2 awesome off road tires in the front, and then putting two low roll resistance highway tires on the rear.
The 5100's performance is not even close to the 6112. The typical pair up with the 6112 is the 5160. The characteristics of the 5160 is a much better match.
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07-26-2017, 04:31 PM
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Dude you and me both smh... As soon as you think your starting to establish a trend it goes to hell. It's exhausting.
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ha. seriously. started to throw my hands up and say, stock isn't so bad...
probably do wheels first now.
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07-27-2017, 12:41 AM
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Sure thats understandable, but there is no 6112 rear so you can't match exactly, and being a rear shock, I've had a number of folks say it's more then enough for a rear. Which would make sense since the front is taking a lot more of the brunt of performance with the added engine weight.
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For the desert and mid to high speed, the rear is actually what takes a beating and burns up. If you can swing it, try to get 5160 or icon vs2.0/2.5 non resi.
Buy once, cry once. Try to do it right the first time so you don't have to pay twice if you could potentially be unhappy with 5100s. I went from spacers to cheap fabtech lifts and was never happy. Dove in with full Fox Long Travel Tacoma and it was worry free smiles for 50k miles! Just my honest opinion but it is your truck/wallet HAHA! 
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07-27-2017, 08:16 AM
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Hey bro quite a rig you got there enjoy
Do you mean that fox will drive better when loaded, steel bumper, etc.?
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It's not about the brand, its the shock itself.. The 5160 is great value, and works great on stock/ near stock heights and loads..
In my case the move up to premium shocks is to get some sort of adjustable rebound/ compression knobs to tune for my setup. The downsides are obviously $$$ and the maintenance involved.
In short, the 6112/5160 combo is a great, hassle-free upgrade to a stock (non-TRD pro) truck. You will only 'outgrow' them once you dive deeper into different coil spring setups/ steel bumpers/ misc. constant weight on the vehicle and under more aggressive driving.
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Does the TRD setup have a better warranty than the 5160? I realize it's a whole lot more expensive but it may be worth the up front cost to have a dealer installed factory suspension.
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07-27-2017, 08:58 AM
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I wanted Kings but was advised locally to stay away from heim joints and stick with bushings as these hold up better to winter salt and will see less corrosion problems.
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I just realized the Fox 2.0 shocks are about $1125 for front and rear, while the 6112/5160s are about $1155 for front and rear if you pay to have the struts assembled before shipping.
Food for thought.
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necro post... sooooooo the 5160's took a shit on my Wifes 2014 Trail. Less than a year I think (don't recall miles) but what sucks is it's a mall crawler. NEVER, EVER truly been off road sadly. Looking to replace them with something else. Freakin LOVE the 6112s for her purposes, but the the 5160's from the get go were no match for the 6112's. They just ride soooooo nice. The 5160s were always harsher. Anyone have a long term update of the Icon 2.0's with 6112 fronts? I'm shopping for something to replace the rear, but match the front.
Edit: rear rests on Toytec Superflex springs (1.5-2" lift and 10%increase in rate).
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I have been running 6112/5100’s for the last year and I really like them on road and off. It feels like a pretty well matched setup to me. I have the front at 1.75 and the rear is the stock spring with a .75 spacer. I can only compare to the stock but it’s a big improvement and handles great on the mild to medium trails I drive. My only problem is the back sags a bit more then I would like when I am fully loaded up for camping. Think I’m going to try the wheelers t13 in the rear soon and set the front at 2.5
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01-17-2018, 11:33 PM
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Thanks... guess I should have added that the rear is on Toytec Super Flex springs (pre HDs being available). So the front's are on the second to highest setting (IIRC about a 2.5" lift) and the rear with those springs at least 1.5"-2" lift with a 10% increase in spring rate.
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