Except when they do. Most Toyota truck brake systems are not boosted/pressurized via vacuum like normal vehicles. They have a high pressure pump that's part of the ABS/ATRAC system. When that pump stops working or slows down temporarily your pedal goes to the floor.

Turning the truck off and on can reset this pump which will make the brakes act as normal.

On the 100 series you luckily get a very loud alarm sound before this happens. The newer systems don't seem to give any warning.

This is a huge flaw and I'm surprised there haven't been more reports of accidents because of it.

Exactly what 'codes' do they have? Never heard of brake pumping codes.

that statement is false, evidenced by this very thread...

Referring to the hardware... hose, rotors, master cylinder, pump, etc. None of those heal themselves. If they break you have no brakes.

Funny you mentioned ATRAC and asked the dealer if they tested it......of course not. I told them to test this and document before I pick it up.

question, if the brakes fail again, and cause an accident, will the factory(or extended) warranty cover all the damages? or will that be left up to your personal insurance?

if it lands on you, perhaps getting your insurance company involved may help your case?

Today I get a call from the circus in California. The person calling had no idea dealer told me to come pick up the runner. I've had a day to sit on this and told this person that I was tired of speaking with a different person each time and very concerned that Toyota was sending me on my way with a new warranted vehicle with a brake problem.

I will not touch the vehicle unless they give me a full documented accounting of checks made to system as well as what is the code they pulled from the system.

I am starting to think the dealer knows it coded for a brake issue, the system reset and as long as its working correctly, will not incur the warranty cost to replace they main brake unit.

Warranty repairs are paid by Toyota, not the dealership. They do not loose a penny by performing warranty work.

actually, ive heard that based on how warranty work is billed, dealerships usually lose money on warranty repairs.

I don't do anything. They do everything. They need to find out why one of their autos won't stop - or keep it. It's a liability issue at this point. OP has a definite point there. And the issue of accountability. Manufactures are soooo forthright with known issues, eh? This one may be an anomaly but from other posters, sounds like it may not be.

They'd keep it if it were me. Been there done that once in my many years of buying autos. Had a cylinder failure in a brand new auto that caused the engine to go into limp mode and dang near got me and several others squished in the fast lane. This was the second time it had happened.

That car went undiagnosed for about 2 months and I told them to keep it until it was figured out. And yes, the service manager drove it the whole time. Finally someone who had the exact same issue PM'd me on the Brand Name forum.

Sent everything to corporate and was successful. They tapped out. Got "credit" towards a newer/different model and moved on with my day. They comp'd me a free extended warranty on the new auto as I lost a little $$ in the deal. Made it even. But I was not going to put my family in something I knew (key word - knew) had this propensity to croak when full throttle is applied. Too dangerous.

Who would want to put their family in an auto with this type of brake failure? What's is a responsible move by the consumer in this case? I say "leave it until they solve it or they keep it". Better question is "what is the responsible move of the Brand"?

But that's me. I'm not willing to risk my family or the lives of others on the road.

That's of course an option. I too would like to know what happened. I think personally I would continue to pursue it through Toyota proper and give them an opportunity to explain and fix.

Been following the thread. Hoping to come up with an intelligent recommendation. I put myself in your position OP, and all I can say is that I could not - simply could not - get back in that vehicle as it is.

Imagine your mindset ... driving that thing around! Every.effing.stop light !! Your mind is going "is this the one"?

No. Thank you very much, but no. I do not know what I would do, but I sure know what I would not do. Even worse if I have family. It would be nothing short of irresponsible.

Hire an attorney maybe? Bad situation Brother. Don't let it become worse.

Received call from Toyota representative in California. Good news is they told me do not pick-up the vehicle from the dealer as they are very concerned and are looking directly into the matter. Sounded sincere at least. Also told me the person at the dealership calling was a service underwriter and not the service manage. Moving forward only take information either from them in California or the Service Manager.

Now two weeks without my primary ride, no resolution and hunting season starts in 10 days.

Wonder how my 2018 Camry loaner does off the road?

just slap an ARB locker on the Camry and call it a day.

it may be asking a lot, but usually a loaner will be closer to the same type of vehicle you have in for repairs. especially for warranty work.

it might be worth asking for something more appropriate, since your vehicle is incapacitated due to no fault of your own.