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New Warn Semi-Hidden Winch Kit bumpers
Just saw that Warn is releasing some new low pro bumpers for the 5th gen and 3rd Taco. Looks like it can handle their 12k winches
Wonder who's gonna jump first at saying they copied the design from XYZ company lol 
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https://www.warn.com/truck/mounting-...iHiddenKit.jsp
SEMI HIDDEN KIT WINCH MOUNTING SYSTEM
The WARN Semi Hidden Kit is ideal for fifth-generation Toyota 4Runner and third-generation Toyota Tacoma owners looking to have a hidden winch mount, but also a level of protection to the front of the vehicle.
KEY FEATURES:
Fits all current WARN mid-frame winches (excluding M8274-50 and PowerPlant)
Easy install - no need to relocate the winch control pack
Built-in port for clutch lever access or lighting (4Runner only)
Provides two recovery points for shackles
Low-profile 2" grille guard tube adds frontend protection
Constructed of heavy-gauge steel with a durable black textured powder coated finish to protect against corrosion
Made in the USA
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11-09-2017, 12:20 AM
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sure looks like another bumper out there
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11-09-2017, 12:29 AM
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Looks like everyone is jumping on the bandwagon
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So why couldn't this (or the other XYZ brands) work on the '10 - '13s? I'm assuming there are necessary modifications to the giant plastic "bumper skin" on either. Is the width of the "grill opening" so to speak different? I'm assuming the frame, and it's mount points are the same. Or is there a structural change behind the updated facade I'm not aware of? I've got a '10 Trail that is about to become an extra vehicle, and I'm putting a build plan together. Not sure I want a full front bumper replacement, as I'm only beefing up for remote fly fishing and bird hunting destinations, not running the Rubicon.
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So why couldn't this (or the other XYZ brands) work on the '10 - '13s? I'm assuming there are necessary modifications to the giant plastic "bumper skin" on either. Is the width of the "grill opening" so to speak different? I'm assuming the frame, and it's mount points are the same. Or is there a structural change behind the updated facade I'm not aware of? I've got a '10 Trail that is about to become an extra vehicle, and I'm putting a build plan together. Not sure I want a full front bumper replacement, as I'm only beefing up for remote fly fishing and bird hunting destinations, not running the Rubicon.
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no need, because this: 10-13 5th Gen 4Runner Hidden Winch mount
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11-09-2017, 11:12 AM
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So why couldn't this (or the other XYZ brands) work on the '10 - '13s? I'm assuming there are necessary modifications to the giant plastic "bumper skin" on either. Is the width of the "grill opening" so to speak different? I'm assuming the frame, and it's mount points are the same. Or is there a structural change behind the updated facade I'm not aware of? I've got a '10 Trail that is about to become an extra vehicle, and I'm putting a build plan together. Not sure I want a full front bumper replacement, as I'm only beefing up for remote fly fishing and bird hunting destinations, not running the Rubicon.
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All the structure behind the bumper is the same. What's different is the tabs that the bumper cover screws into on the underside. I built my own hidden winch mount and I did fabricate them so it still holds on like OEM. Without them the outer bumper skin will basically just be floppy. The bumper support tabs are originally riveted to the OEM aluminum bumper structure.
Otherwise it's just a matter of fitment. It would probably look funny.
To answer your question - yes, it should bolt up to the pre-face lift 4runners.
The more pressing question for me: Why doesn't anyone design them to put the fairlead up higher? Most of these put it in a low spot where it's easy to damage the winch rope by pinching on a rock. I know most people don't use the winch ever anyway - but some do. I've beat the piss out of my front bumper. And it should be easy enough if you're creative with the design to simply build it so the winch mounts upside down in the exact same physical space, but then and the fairlead is about 4 inches higher and will fit on the flat face rather than cut into the lower face. That's how I'd design one.
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Huh, someone else jumping on the popularity bandwagon. Typical. So much for the little guys making a living. Asshats... unless of course they are buying them from one of the little guys... else I stick with my sentiment. 
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The more pressing question for me: Why doesn't anyone design them to put the fairlead up higher?
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No kidding right, that fairlead design appears to be based on the assumption that you need to be pulled up something and not out of something.
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Originally Posted by Jetboy
All the structure behind the bumper is the same. What's different is the tabs that the bumper cover screws into on the underside. I built my own hidden winch mount and I did fabricate them so it still holds on like OEM. Without them the outer bumper skin will basically just be floppy. The bumper support tabs are originally riveted to the OEM aluminum bumper structure.
Otherwise it's just a matter of fitment. It would probably look funny.
To answer your question - yes, it should bolt up to the pre-face lift 4runners.
The more pressing question for me: Why doesn't anyone design them to put the fairlead up higher? Most of these put it in a low spot where it's easy to damage the winch rope by pinching on a rock. I know most people don't use the winch ever anyway - but some do. I've beat the piss out of my front bumper. And it should be easy enough if you're creative with the design to simply build it so the winch mounts upside down in the exact same physical space, but then and the fairlead is about 4 inches higher and will fit on the flat face rather than cut into the lower face. That's how I'd design one.
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Absolutely. I hate all these bumpers that have the winch fairlead/hawse angled downward. It looks stupid and exposes it to damage. How is Shrockworks the only company that gets this?
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Absolutely. I hate all these bumpers that have the winch fairlead/hawse angled downward. It looks stupid and exposes it to damage. How is Shrockworks the only company that gets this?
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The Pelfrey hidden plates and full plate bumpers are also vertical, or damn close to vertical.
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The Pelfrey hidden plates and full plate bumpers are also vertical, or damn close to vertical.
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Add ARB to that list also.
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Originally Posted by sn_85
Just saw that Warn is releasing some new low pro bumpers for the 5th gen and 3rd Taco. Looks like it can handle their 12k winches
Wonder who's gonna jump first at saying they copied the design from XYZ company lol
From their site
https://www.warn.com/truck/mounting-...iHiddenKit.jsp
SEMI HIDDEN KIT WINCH MOUNTING SYSTEM
The WARN Semi Hidden Kit is ideal for fifth-generation Toyota 4Runner and third-generation Toyota Tacoma owners looking to have a hidden winch mount, but also a level of protection to the front of the vehicle.
KEY FEATURES:
Fits all current WARN mid-frame winches (excluding M8274-50 and PowerPlant)
Easy install - no need to relocate the winch control pack
Built-in port for clutch lever access or lighting (4Runner only)
Provides two recovery points for shackles
Low-profile 2" grille guard tube adds frontend protection
Constructed of heavy-gauge steel with a durable black textured powder coated finish to protect against corrosion
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Looks nice. I will probably shop around to see who has the best price and which is cleanest and easiest setup. Sub'd for future mod purposes.
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I like it alot.
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Huh, someone else jumping on the popularity bandwagon. Typical. So much for the little guys making a living. Asshats... unless of course they are buying them from one of the little guys... else I stick with my sentiment.
No kidding right, that fairlead design appears to be based on the assumption that you need to be pulled up something and not out of something. |
wouldn't putting the fairlead higher give a bad angle on the fairlead? i thought it was low because of the winch location and the winch location was low because that's where it fits. if you want to raise the fairlead you need a bumper that sticks out more, not a hidden design.
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The higher you move the winch, the more leverage it has on the mounts for the bumper which means a bent bumper or stretched bolts. Mounting it high also limits the height of the winch especially when you have a lightbar above it or the bumper is a low-profile one with not much height to begin with.
Move the winch too low and you sacrifice approach angle but you will have plenty of room to cram any type of winch in.
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